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PostPosted: 18:59 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Law on 2 strokes... Reply with quote

Done a quick google search and can't find my answer. I'm looking to buy an EXC 125 as a mess about but with all this green britain bullshit circulating am I going to find it's illegal to run in a few years?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt it'll be made illegal to ride a 2-stroke, but with the way the government dishes out ironic legislation on the environment (for example the scrappage scheme that pollutes the planet further producing the new cars, than the old cars could ever manage) you could expect to pay a slightly higher rate of tax on 2-stroke engines in a few years time. Even that is just assumption.
My reckoning is that new 2-strokes sold will have to be de-tuned for efficiency, making RS, mito etc redundant, forcing an end to the culture, through making it look the manufacturers stopped it.

2-strokes are too important to bikers for the government to outright ban them. Even those of us who don't like them, see some of the bikes as iconic and would slap some governmental face if they banned them. Just make sure you place your vote at the general elections well.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea I reckon they will just be phased out and proportional to the amount of vehicles on the road 2-stroke are a relatively small percentage so dont have a massive impact.

Shame as I do love 2 strokes. Sad
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
If it became illegal to ride a 2T on the road I'd probably fuck biking off for good.


That's what the goverment wants, isn't it? I.e. new test and plans for stopping L-platers riding on their own by 2013.

I'm going to keep my RS forever Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy C wrote:
Yea I reckon they will just be phased out and proportional to the amount of vehicles on the road 2-stroke are a relatively small percentage so dont have a massive impact.

Shame as I do love 2 strokes. Sad


2 strokes could be the motor of the future. With some direct injection and weird trapping valves they can be made just a clean as a 4 stroke. I believe Lotus were doing research on them......
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
If it became illegal to ride a 2T on the road I'd probably fuck biking off for good.

Oh no you don't. In the extremely unlikely event old 2 strokes are made illiegal you and me had better keep riding them. Thumbs Up
However for the time being new 2 strokes look doomed Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Andy C wrote:
Yea I reckon they will just be phased out and proportional to the amount of vehicles on the road 2-stroke are a relatively small percentage so dont have a massive impact.

Shame as I do love 2 strokes. Sad


2 strokes could be the motor of the future. With some direct injection and weird trapping valves they can be made just a clean as a 4 stroke. I believe Lotus were doing research on them......


There's quite a bit about this in the Feb 2009 issue of Bike which I assume is where you read it.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think even with direct fuel injection it is pretty easy to make a 2 stroke cleaner than a 4 stroke. About 15~20 years ago a few of the major car makers were looking at 2 stroke car engines (there was a fleet of prototype Fiestas on loan from memory), but the car companies weren't happy with the expected 50000 mile life.

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PostPosted: 16:08 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think even with direct fuel injection it is pretty easy to make a 2 stroke cleaner than a 4 stroke. About 15~20 years ago a few of the major car makers were looking at 2 stroke car engines (there was a fleet of prototype Fiestas on loan from memory), but the car companies weren't happy with the expected 50000 mile life.

All the best

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In a book I just bought on the BMW 3 series it says that Orbital were supposed to be manufacturing a 165bhp 2t straight 6 for the 3 series, but it never materialised. Sad
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:


There's quite a bit about this in the Feb 2009 issue of Bike which I assume is where you read it.


Aye, read some bits about it before that though, I forget where unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two stroke car engines, straight-6 would sound immense. Thumbs Up

Would eat 2T oil a little bit though I think. I don't think they would ban two strokes but as someone as said before they will just make the manufacturers de-tune them to reduce emissions and bullshit like that.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Two stroke car engines, straight-6 would sound immense. Thumbs Up


Probably sound very similar to this.

Clicky

And while we're on the topic of big 2 stroke engines, have a listen to this CR2000 V4 Drooling

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PostPosted: 23:05 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
And while we're on the topic of big 2 stroke engines, have a listen to this CR2000 V4 Drooling

Now if I started my car and had that LOVELY sound coming from under the engine bay I'd be a very happy man.
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