Need some advice (driving test)

L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

I took my driving test today, i failed to much surprise!
I was un-fairly marked to be fair, ive had minors put down for safety when pulling off from the side of the road, i mean indicating, cheking mirrors, blind spot, mirrors as moving off and blind spot again, how much safer can you get?!

i have a couple more which seem very stupidly marked and hes also put a serious (failed) for not going back into the left hand land when coming off a round-about when i was instructed to head for the city centre and i was in the lane which said city-centre (left hand land said something completely diffrent), i beileve i drove very safely if anything i over-observated to make sure i used plenty of observations.

As soon as the guy got in the car i knew he had something up with him because he was yanking the car seat around and levers to get the seat in the correct position, what person does that to someone elses car?!

Any adive would be greatly apprecited, ive took my car test to help my grandparents with transport and shopping as there both disabled and waiting another month and another £60 seems stupid after today.

If theres anything ive left out just ask, to be fair if i thaught i did something that warrented failure then sure but my grandad is an ex-examiner and he said my driving was well up to standard and i should pass easily as long as i dont do anything stupid?

Thanks in advance.

MaybeGuy · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

its karmas way of telling you ''you're doing the wrong test''
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green

Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

Haha im going to do my bike test soon but seriously its to help my gran and grandad around because there both disabled and need to get out for shopping etc. my grandad is getting to the point where he can barely drive safetly but has to because its there only way around (cant use public transport because they both cant walk far long story).

MaybeGuy · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

you can still drive on L plates with your grandad in the car as long as he has a licence. you could do that for now, gaining experience till you feel up to booking your test again.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green

Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

Ive been doing that for the past 2 months getting ready for my test, its just easier to take the test and pass it then i can use the car for beach with friends etc. i dont have my bike anymore as it was stolen and dont have the money for a new one (car was cheap as dirt) tryed looking for cheap bikes but nothing came up, theres alot more reasons than just taking them around but thats the main reason.

Still just want some advice on why ive basically been failed for no REAL reasons it was as if he was looking to fail me and marking me on things i didnt do wrong.

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

What do you want us to say?

Appeal? I don't even think there is a process, and on what basis can you appeal - that your grandpops said you're driving is ok. Pffft.

As for the guy adjusting the chair, I really don't know where to start, perhaps he wanted to get comfortable? I do it pretty much every time I get in someones car.

You failed, unlucky.

Suck it up and take it again, but this time do better.

Simple.

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L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

Ok ok no need to reply like that.

I was only looking to see if there was any way of someone else having a look to see if i was un-fairly marked wrong (and it does happen)

No im not saying i should of passed because my grandad said i was good enough but by standards i did everything correctly and in a decent manner, i drove safetly and how i should of, hes marked me down on things like observation whilst doing a 3 point turn, checking both windows every single point of my turn (always checking every time i did something) and hes marked me down as failing to use observation?!

Looks like i will have to take it again fair enough was only looking for someone to shed some light in-case there was something to appeal against or w/e.

For adjusting the chair, your telling me you get in sumone's car, yank the lever's brutally yank the chair around as if ur trying to pull it off etc.? i think not, was like he was having a bad day and took it out on me (might of over-exagerated a bit but you get the idea) never mind eh.

pa_broon74 · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Karma :

Cue lots of grumpy (but faultless never-the-less) old people leaping onto their soapboxes telling you to wind your neck in and suck it up... Wink

Maybe the examiner was having a bad day, unfortunately, nothing you can do about it. Reading your post though, could it be that you were too jumpy or cautious?

I got marked down for being hesitant, you can go to far on both directions... Ultra-safe -> Ultra-unsafe. Need to aim for the middle.

Neutral

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Didn't catch anything.

MaybeGuy · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Karma :

numberplate WA something something DNE? if so, i saw it about 3 weeks ago? not sure how long its been gone.

ill keep an eye out.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green

Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

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pa_broon74 · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Karma :

Only other thing is....

The driving test isn't about driving in the most logical way, it's about driving in a way that means you pass. Unfortunately (and perhaps there's been element of this here) unless your instructor specifically tells you this, you'll probably find yourself doing things that seem perfectly reasonable, only for the examiner to fail you.

On the up side, you'll know the next time.

Thumbs Up

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Didn't catch anything.

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

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Faldo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Karma :

Failing is part of the process. As somebody else said, taking a test is not like 'proper' everyday driving. A pass doesn't mean you are a good driver, merely that you have shown enough competence to drive in a manner that you have been instructed.

Don't forget that the examiner fails and passes people day in day out, so has a very good idea of who is ready to be let loose on the road and who isn't. He isn't failing you for anything but your driving ability.

I failed first time, and felt pretty hard done by. Years later I realise that I was a pretty poor driver at 17 years of age with no experience. Keep practising, try again and good luck Thumbs Up

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Feasty · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Karma :

thejdemon did you actually have lessons from an instructor for your test or just from your grandad?

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L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

I was wrong i know MsM nerves got to me a little, went out for an hour before the test and with all the nagging within that hour i was concentrating so much on so many things i could handle what i was doing (if that makes sense) i get put under alot of pressure to perform to standards within my family which kinda sucks Razz

No ive never had a proper driving lesson i was thinking to myself like 2 seconds ago to suggest getting proper driving lessons just to see what there like and the diffrence, i know in the real world indicating before you mirror wouldnt make alot of diffrent but to them it would.

I agree with the minors he gave me but it was the face he instructed me to head towards the city centre then told me i should of stayed in the left hand lane (which was not marked for it) which is what i failed for which annoyed me, supposed i can see your points of view and its true they follow it by the book on how you have to pass and not how you have to drive.

Thanks anyway guys Smile

EDIT: Shaggy it was the first one that wasnt being sarcy, all i did was ask for some advice and yes i was a bit pissed off that i failed so i ranted a bit (doesnt seem like some of you have never been angry before or failed at something and been angry about it)

yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

One of the few things you should keep doing in the real world from the driving test is look where you are going before indicating to go into it!

tutton · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Karma :

It happens and if there was anything over around 30 seconds of road where it potentinally turns into a dual carridgeway by the sounds of things, as its got 2 lanes, you always move over to the left as soon as its safe to do so, apparently... Laughing

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L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

Tutton that was the problem he instructed me to take the lane which leads to city centre, the other lane split off and went down to the A38, he should of made his instructions clearer if that was an issue, he said when we first set off, always keep to the left hand lane going straight ahead unless road or traffic signs or HE says diffrently.... he said diffrently so i followed his instruction and failed because of it that was my issue he said i would of passed if i didnt do that.. i mean WTF?

Ah well live and learn i spose, ill ignore him next time and go into the left lane regardless to be safe, got my next test booked is a bloody month away 24th august! am checking page every day from now for cancellations so hopefully one pops up, sooner car test is done and dusted i can save for bike test and get back on 2 wheels!!

Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

As an ADI I see many issues brought up when people have not been successful on thier tests. You need to discuss with your instructor what the examiner had to say in his debrief. On your next lesson ask your instructor to take you to the areas of concern. With regards to a serious on moving off, you may have got your timing wrong or not seen a hazard, many people go through the motions of observations without actually observing. I have not come across an examiner who will go out of their way to fail people. Some are jobs worths, but most want you to pass as a safe driver, if you do not reach the standard on the day don't get put off, put the things right that went wrong and go for it again.
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