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PostPosted: 15:36 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Call to ban 'legal herbal highs' Reply with quote
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8196953.stm

Where is the need for this? Cannabis is criminalised, people find a way around it so the gubmint move the goalposts the criminalise something else.

Oh noes, people are enjoying themselves and it's currently legal - quick quick, ban it! Rolling Eyes

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A Home Office spokesman said: "We are determined to crack down on those 'legal highs' that pose a significant health risk.


What, ya mean like alcohol? Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's more because they aren't sure what effects the chemicals used in it would have on the body(at least that's what I gleened from the beeb).

Perhaps you're better off with pot as at least you know what it's effects are.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never bought a "legal high". I've bought several plant growth suppliments which were sold singly in brightly coloured capsules though.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think it's more because they aren't sure what effects the chemicals used in it would have on the body(at least that's what I gleened from the beeb).


If they're not sure, then how can they say it's dangerous?

Drinking petrol/bleach/battery acid will have a harmful effect on the body, don't see the fools 'cracking down' on the sale of them...

Winds me up, overlegislative ban-it culture.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If they're not sure, then how can they say it's dangerous?

Drinking petrol/bleach/battery acid will have a harmful effect on the body, don't see the fools 'cracking down' on the sale of them...

Winds me up, overlegislative ban-it culture.


They can't, I agree with you.

I think people should be able to make their own informed decisions.
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Well they are legalising assisted suicide.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Drinking petrol/bleach/battery acid will have a harmful effect on the body, don't see the fools 'cracking down' on the sale of them...

Because they actually have a useful property to them?

I feel sorry for anybody who tries a legal high. You'd be better off banning those idiots from existing.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:
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Drinking petrol/bleach/battery acid will have a harmful effect on the body, don't see the fools 'cracking down' on the sale of them...

Because they actually have a useful property to them?

I feel sorry for anybody who tries a legal high. You'd be better off banning those idiots from existing.


Whatever, Grandad Jon...so do you or the gubmint decide what is useful then?

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I've never bought a "legal high". I've bought several plant growth suppliments which were sold singly in brightly coloured capsules though.


Same here, never bought a legal high before. In my youth I did purchase a little glass bottle of 'room odouriser' though.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was making a few bob selling bags of oregano outside the junior school gates, and they're talking about banning it.
Ah well, i guess its back to dealing crack cocaine and crystal meth then.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mudskipper wrote:
If they're not sure, then how can they say it's dangerous?



Uncertainty?

It's safer to ban something now than wait 20 years to see what effects it has only to find everyone mentally fucked and be footed with a £20 billion health fund deficit created from having to look after the druggy bastards.

Course, not saying I agree but I can understand their thought process.
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Whatever, Grandad Jon...so do you or the gubmint decide what is useful then?

If you haven't decided for yourself that petrol is more useful than Salvia, then you are obviously much more obtuse than I thought.

As for bleach, shouldn't you be scrubbing a floor somewhere; woman? Wink
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:

If you haven't decided for yourself that petrol is more useful than Salvia, then you are obviously much more obtuse than I thought.


To you maybe. What about a shaman who rides around on a bicycle? I'm sure he'd disagree about which is more useful.
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I feel sorry for anybody who tries a legal high. You'd be better off banning those idiots from existing.


So I take it you don't drink or do drugs?

Be a pretty boring world without people who get high! Some of the worlds most influential/best artists/musicians liked to get high every now and then.

How come you have this sort of attitude?
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How come you have this sort of attitude?


Why is an attitude and not a point of view? Why can't he have the view and be free thinking instead of the drugs are great sheep?
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
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How come you have this sort of attitude?


Why is an attitude and not a point of view? Why can't he have the view and be free thinking instead of the drugs are great sheep?


Attitude, point of view, whatever you want to call it. Did I say he was not entitled to have that view? I just asked him why he thought like that......
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Attitude, point of view, whatever you want to call it. Did I say he was not entitled to have that view? I just asked him why he thought like that......


Using "attitude" give a different and more aggressive tone than " point of view"
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Using "attitude" give a different and more aggressive tone than " point of view"


Calling all drug users idiots and saying they should be banned from existing also comes over as an aggressive tone... Rolling Eyes
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Using "attitude" give a different and more aggressive tone than " point of view"


Calling all drug users idiots and saying they should be banned from existing also comes over as an aggressive tone... Rolling Eyes

Not ALL drug users, just the ones who do not need them.
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Skudd wrote:
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Calling all drug users idiots and saying they should be banned from existing also comes over as an aggressive tone... Rolling Eyes

Not ALL drug users, just the ones who do not need them.


I can't understand why so many people think that using something purely because it is pleasurable, and for no other reason, equals abuse.

It all seems very Victorian to me. *shrug*
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Not ALL drug users, just the ones who do not need them.


Rolling Eyes

Well it applies to me, I don't NEED to smoke the odd joint but I enjoy doing it socially every now and then, so I'm an idiot and should not exist....
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Not ALL drug users, just the ones who do not need them.


Rolling Eyes

Well it applies to me, I don't NEED to smoke the odd joint but I enjoy doing it socially every now and then, so I'm an idiot and should not exist....


Why do druggies get so het up about others thinking it is daft or stupid, it is as if they are looking for approval. Oh sorry I can't call you a druggy as that is for other illegal drug users and there is snobbery in the illegal drug user community.
If you want to take illegal drugs, take them, but don't then go looking for approval and the pat on the back from others.
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Why do druggies get so het up about others thinking it is daft or stupid, it is as if they are looking for approval. Oh sorry I can't call you a druggy as that is for other illegal drug users and there is snobbery in the illegal drug user community.
If you want to take illegal drugs, take them, but don't then go looking for approval and the pat on the back from others.


You have no idea....

So everyone who smokes the odd joint is a druggie Laughing. I'm not looking for approval, just looking to educate some ignorant people who consider all people who use drugs druggies, idiots or whatever you want to call them! A druggie is someone who lets drugs take control of their life, unbelievably to you some people can actually use drugs and not be a druggie, just like people can get pissed and not be an alcoholic. Saying that judging by you comments you have lived a fairly sheltered life so far and don't socialize with many people if you call someone who smokes the odd joint a druggie.......
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 12 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Maybe some people should just learn to fucking read. Laughing

My "attitude" is that if you are going to spend a shed load on cannabis alternatives for example you are a fecking tool anyway, if you are so inclined to take drugs you might as well do it properly.
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My "attitude" is that if you are going to spend a shed load on cannabis alternatives for example you are a fecking tool anyway, if you are so inclined to take drugs you might as well do it properly.


I thought you may have meant that! But did jump the the conclusion that you meant all drugs as well as the legal highs which you stated. Embarassed

Anyway if that's the case, the proper stuff is much better, tried the legal high thing in my early teens and it did sweet fa! Laughing
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You have no idea....

So everyone who smokes the odd joint is a druggie Laughing. I'm not looking for approval, just looking to educate some ignorant people who consider all people who use drugs druggies, idiots or whatever you want to call them! A druggie is someone who lets drugs take control of their life, unbelievably to you some people can actually use drugs and not be a druggie, just like people can get pissed and not be an alcoholic. Saying that judging by you comments you have lived a fairly sheltered life so far and don't socialize with many people if you call someone who smokes the odd joint a druggie.......


Like I said, snobbery in the illegal drug taking community.
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