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PostPosted: 22:23 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: suggest me a supermoto/enduro/crosser Reply with quote

...for around £700-800.

thats whats on the cards for the R6, and i wouldnt mind a crosser. theres a few ebay ones, like a KTM400 and a 560 or something, both for £800.

was tempted by an XL600R too, and an XR400 that needs a top end rebuild...

anything else i should know about? im clueless when it comes to crossers.

or any offers of bikes.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it's the xl600r on ebay for 750 BIN, don't.. I viewed it on wednesday, it is a shed. Speedo doesnt work, the forks are bent and it won't do more than 45 ish on standard gearing as well as numerous other things such as brakes which only work according to the owner 'stop like a brick wall when warmed up'

Xt600s are good, generally most of the older 600s are alright, as long as they are in mechanical nick. The cosmetics obviously are going to be shagged.

Klx650s are supposed to be good, but bear in mind most of the older 4t are going to be heavy and underpowered.

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PostPosted: 23:24 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers pyro. for the info and the heads up. yeah, it was the £750 one. old supermoto thing?

are KLX650's possible within that price range?
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not had much experience with bigger trailies but I did just get a KLX650C1 about a month or so ago.

It's standard gearing just now and pulls great to about 90mph, tops out at 105mph (indicated). I feel, personally it's a little underpowered considering it's capacity so I'm going to go one down on the front and one up on the rear (only sprockets i can find, wemoto) and see how that goes. Wheel will come up with power in 1st, nearly 2nd, clutch up in 2nd easy.. i'm no good at wheelies so I'm guessing you'll find it easier.

It's a bit heavy but not that bad in reality (As long as you don't get it stuck!) and people always seem surprised when they find out it's a 650 Confused they tend to think it's smaller?!

Starts on the button and runs all day without any problem. Brakes are ok, enough bite to do stoppies on demand. Mechanically it looks simple. Loads of spares on Ebay. Exhaust gets hot and I'm on my 3rd one as it's eaten one, and the other was too loud.

Hard to find good proper knobblies though as the rear is a 17" but there are road legal "knobblies" in the right size which should do the trick (MT21's, D606's, etc)..

Tank range, well I dunno to be honest, I do roughly 90 miles between fill ups but haven't reached reserve yet so who knows.. costs roughly £9 for those 90 miles at £1.04 a litre (you do the math).

I'd say it's a tad too big if you plan on getting into really technical stuff or doing MX to any level but I think it'd be great for green-laning, etc with a wee gearing change Thumbs Up the standard gearing leaves me somewhere between 1st & 2nd for the slower stuff, can be annoying.

If you have a bike for the road and plan on using the traily almost exclusively for off-road then I'd opt for a smaller bike, 250, 350 or summit.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: suggest me a supermoto/enduro/crosser Reply with quote

I suggest you search/read through some posts in this forum - There's plenty of info on this subject.

I doubt any of the bikes you suggested are crossers and there's a massive variation between the bikes you have mentioned.

Work out what you want to do with an off-road bike; motocross, enduro, trails, street use. There's a massive difference in the bikes on offer, the equivalent of a range from a GP bike to a CB500.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XR250 project bike

'94 Jap import, electric start, currently SORN, tyres and c&s have got plenty of life left in them, it needs the RHS fork seal replacing, engine needs spark plug thread repairing and I expect the insides of the engine will need cleaning up from water damage. has rear luggage rack, tank is dented on RHS.

Got a box of spares, chain & sprockets, fork seals, think there's some levers, original footpegs cos it's got better ones fitted, and various other spares.

It has been used offroad, which is how things like this have happened to it. Wink About an hour after that photo was taken the bike was running again. Water damage that I think it'll have at the moment is cos the spark plug thread is fucked so isn't water proof. The bike has been sat since the end of 2007.

Jap import so parts are mostly the same as the UK version, some things are a bit different, the petrol tank is the only thing I've found to be completely different to the UK version.

£250

photo attached, front & rear bags aren't included. Can sort some current photos of it if you're interested?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ste. sounds good. any chance you could whip the head off and see if the barrels fucked?

i take it its got V5 etc? current photos would be good, but PM me rather than turn this into too much of an advert thread.

G, all i want out of it is a bit of offroad fun and a commuter until i can afford another R6. plus i want to experience another aspect of biking
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: suggest me a supermoto/enduro/crosser Reply with quote

For the record, if you read the rules, you'll see advert threads are allowed in here, were that what you wanted Wink.
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will sort some pics tomorrow.

Errr maybe @ seeing if the barrel's fucked, but I would guess there will be damage of some degree cos when the spark plug thread problems were first noticed was when offroading and it had been raining so water was getting in around the spark plug and causing the engine to stall. It's been rained on vaguelly recently cos when doing stuff my garage and moving the xr outside to make space, it's ended up being rained on.

Have got the v5 and other paperwork. bloke i bought it from had owned it since it was imported and he had just used it as a commuter bike.

I see no problem with this being an advert thread Smile
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it fires up ok thats good enough for me.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can safely say it doesn't fire up. When the spark plug thread is repaired it should.

Making it work again is the 'project' part, it comes with a haynes manual. Wink
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
cheers pyro. for the info and the heads up. yeah, it was the £750 one. old supermoto thing?

are KLX650's possible within that price range?


In chelmsford yeah.

A friend of mine bought a SM'd KLX for about 500 quid with 8 months MOT and tax, in beautiful condition.

I hear DR350's are good, and if you don't have Ste's bike I will Smile

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PostPosted: 00:56 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think ill have to pass ste, sorry. on second thoughts i need something already good to go as i live 13 miles away from town and a project isnt for me.

if you've still got it when i've got a road bike, then definatly.

pyro, where are these cheapys from? any going at the moment?

heres something:
anyone who finds me an excellent deal, be it from a friend, relative, dads dogs sisters owners son, whatever.

gets £50. if i buy it that is.
paypal or in person, whatever.

i know they're about, i've found a few in the past, its just finding the bastards.

the closer to plymouth the better, but travel isnt really an issue unless its really far oop north or something.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 03:08 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste - I'd take that, i'm only down the road from you.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

for your money ide say a dr350 wouild be perfect
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dr350's are good bikes.. Im in saltash so I'll keep ears and eyes open..

I do know someone with a dr250 and 350 in pieces but i doubt he will ever sell it (or build it!!)
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 23 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive managed to find a 1995 ktm 400 lc4 for £800

is that good for what it is? Mot till xmas and tax for a month or so.

Just a case of getting rid of the R6 so i can buy it.

So what should i know about these ktms?
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
Ive managed to find a 1995 ktm 400 lc4 for £800

is that good for what it is? Mot till xmas and tax for a month or so.

Just a case of getting rid of the R6 so i can buy it.

So what should i know about these ktms?


I can't say whether there any good as i've not ridden one before. However for £800 it seems an awfully good deal.

A bloke i met in France on my travels was using an old DR350 which he brought £700 or so. Seemed like a fun little bike to have. Looking on ebay you can get some for pretty cheap and they look like they could take a hell of'a beating.


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PostPosted: 14:05 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had a shot of a DR350 but had a DR650 years ago. Great bike, plenty of power and youcan pick them up for less than a grand. My mate sold his minted one for £850. Remember there are kick start only DR650`s and later ones are electric.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

This what I;ve just got for doing a bit of green laning


https://i.ebayimg.com/18/!BYGoQmQ!2k~$(KGrHgoH-CQEkJ5gdrdhBKfyQn3muw~~_12.JPG

93 model, 8000km on the clock, shit loads of spares and 12 months mot


£720

Been looking for a few weeks and really happy I got a 2 stroke, plenty of bargins about if you keep looking.

Wouldn't get any thing over a 400 if you want to do off roading
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

putting a £200 deposit down tomorrow on this, then paying the rest when the R6 sells...

KTM LC4 400

https://i.ebayimg.com/19/!BY2mLFg!Wk~$(KGrHgoH-CIEjlLl4NtwBKjwP7LjKQ~~_12.JPG

first thing to fuck off will be the headlight. it comes with the original and loads of spares.

MOT and tax until jan 2010 ish...

for £800 i think ill be pretty happy with it.

im going to change the gearing a bit to make it a little more road friendly.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!! Mr. Green
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith


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PostPosted: 23:12 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about that age, but from around 98 you can just slot supermoto wheels in, with a caliper bracket for the bigger front disc.

There is a bit of variation, but between my (now ex) Hussy, CCM, KTM EXC and KTM LC4 most of the wheels are interchangeable.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headlight would look half decent if it was white. Purple seat looks dreadful but that would be an easy fix (Got some spare seat vinyl if you want it). Apart from that it seems like a good buy.

Where abouts you picking it up from?
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers G, ill do a bit of research as i was literally ebaying for SM wheels about 10 seconds before reading the reply.

arbit3r.
there is no way the headlight could possibly look good.

picking it up from bristol, then with any luck riding it back. with the gearing on it at the moment, the guy has wished me luck in advance...

im guessing a 30mph bimble home as i dont really want to rag it for 2 hours at 70mph
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
cheers G, ill do a bit of research as i was literally ebaying for SM wheels about 10 seconds before reading the reply.

arbit3r.
there is no way the headlight could possibly look good.


I did say Half decent Smile Im sure there's loads of people on fleabay willing to part their money for that wonderful piece of craftsmanship.

If you want a lift give us a shout. Im changing the chain, sprockets, rear tyre and oil sump on the cbr this weekend so it should be ready for another 9,000 miles Smile
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