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zx6rnigel
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Knee down on public roads? Reply with quote

Went out for a hack down a good bit of road today, lots of fast corners, slow corners, straights etc .. had a bit of fun with a guy who was really getting his knee down.

I noticed that he really was able to carry more speed into the corner than me obviously, but he had no balls around the fast corners so i just rode up to the back of him, he was also so early on the brakes ..

was making me wonder, is knee down really worth it on public roads?

I think it annoyed him a little bit that he looked cool but was slooowwww
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Knee down on public roads? Reply with quote

zx6rnigel wrote:
was making me wonder, is knee down really worth it on public roads?


No.

The process of learning makes you more confident, but doing it time after time on public roads is rather pointless, certainly doesn't make you faster purely for tartyness.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Knee down on public roads? Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
zx6rnigel wrote:
was making me wonder, is knee down really worth it on public roads?


No.

The process of learning makes you more confident, but doing it time after time on public roads is rather pointless, certainly doesn't make you faster purely for tartyness.


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PostPosted: 19:47 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that necessary on the track, watch Phil Read ride.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone please correct me if i am wrong but the reason that racers get their KD is purely to indicate how far they are leant over.

If you watch the moto gp, they are all getting their KD, they will know from experience where the end of their knee is, so when it touches down they know how far they are cranked over (so in other words, how much more tyre they have left before they run out and stack it)

Another thing you may notice is when they race in the wet, they almost double up their sliders, obviously if they leant to the same extent in the wet they will probably die thus their knee stopping them from going as far.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Someone please correct me if i am wrong but the reason that racers get their KD is purely to indicate how far they are leant over.

If you watch the moto gp, they are all getting their KD, they will know from experience where the end of their knee is, so when it touches down they know how far they are cranked over (so in other words, how much more tyre they have left before they run out and stack it)

Another thing you may notice is when they race in the wet, they almost double up their sliders, obviously if they leant to the same extent in the wet they will probably die thus their knee stopping them from going as far.


Your exactly right, but i still belive it gives you more confidence and stability .. however thats just my opinion!
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get knee down quite alot, probably not necessary, but its definitely fun Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

KD does NOT equal going fast.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
KD does NOT equal going fast.


MattHirst wrote:
how far they are leant over.


But it does indicate the ammount of lean, therefore allowing you to go fast confidently meaning it would probably make an average rider go faster..


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PostPosted: 20:17 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my wife gets both knees down


but not in public Laughing Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite happily hold my own in the fast group when I do my track days, I very rarely get my knee down. I dont feel the need to.

There is nothing funnier than watching someone hanging off their bike as far as they can with the bike still almost upright in an attempt to get their knee down! Laughing Even funnier when you see it on track!

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PostPosted: 20:51 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can help but if you're trying too hard then it'll only slow you down. It's certainly more useful on the track but more of a willy waving thing on the road.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knee what where now?
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

it made me faster, learning how to showed me that the bike is a lot more capable than i thought it was, thus making me faster.......... i think Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:48 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Knee down on public roads? Reply with quote

zx6rnigel wrote:
Went out for a hack down a good bit of road today, lots of fast corners, slow corners, straights etc .. had a bit of fun with a guy who was really getting his knee down.

I noticed that he really was able to carry more speed into the corner than me obviously, but he had no balls around the fast corners so i just rode up to the back of him, he was also so early on the brakes ..

was making me wonder, is knee down really worth it on public roads?

I think it annoyed him a little bit that he looked cool but was slooowwww


So he was able to corner faster than you in normal speed bends by virtue of the fact that he could drag his knee, yet decided that he didnt want to become a statistic by doing high speed knee down. So youve answered your own question, in the lower speed bends he was quicker with knee down, if he applied the same technique on higher speed bends he would have cleared off....
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 30 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

everyone is different, you cant really say who was faster, it's all down to the individual.

doing KD doesn't give your tyre's extra grip but i think it does give you more control and a better idea of how hard you are pushing............ aslong as your sole focus is not getting your knee down as this could well slow you down and result in 50p shaped lines Laughing
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