My biggest mistake this evening was stopping :(--UPDATED

[yuri2085]

Oh dear reported for dangerous driving.
Supposedly they followed me for a mile and i did some dangerous overtake and whatnot.
He got pissed off when he goes 'we saw you going at least 70' and i said 'thats not possible' and then he goes 'ok enough of that I am arresting you blahblah'

He kept saying he had it on video but at the end the other guy goes 'shall we show him this' and he says 'theres nothing on it anyway' so i was like hmm.

I was careful not to confess the worst i said was 'i was going a little too fast', I said the driver I overtook looked drunk so i wanted to be ahead of him'

We will see what happens I guess I didnt notice them parked up ffs so lame... I hate myself for that I am normally pro a spotting police and cameras and drive really slowly if a car comes near me..

Thing is i was going to fast they didnt catch up until i was on the dual carriageway just chilling and moved over to let them pass :s


edit: wondering if i shoulda confessed at the start and said sorry i am so dangerous please forgive me..because he gave some spiel about I am a moorcyclist too and you are just going to become another statistic blag blah.
And me saying it was not possible I was doing 70 really switched something and he started the arrest spiel from just asking me what was going on :s.



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[Polarbear]

Were you actually doing something that could be construed as dangerous driving. The reason I ask is that in my limited knowledge the cops will use the 'driving without due care and attention' unless they can be sure a dangerous will stick.

Have you got paperwork from them saying you are going to be charged with dangerous?
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[stinkwheel]

As said, be sure. Dangerous Driving is a criminal offence, driving without due care and attention is a civil offence.

Dangerous Driving is serious business and you need to take professional legal advice if you are being prosecuted for it.

In any case, I'd strongly advise you to write yourself a little report of everything that happened tonight while it is fresh in your memory. Important details can be forgotten by the time these things get to court. A good example being " 'shall we show him this' and he says 'theres nothing on it anyway'.".

In all honesty, it sounds like they were just trying to give you a fright but it does no harm to be sure.

Did they say "We are reporting you for consideration for prosecution for the following offences..."?
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[yuri2085]

He did say he was reporting me, but I am thinking they were just trying to scare me as it didn't seem like they actually had anything or they would have showed me, and I didn't confess.
I do wonder if i would have just got a warning If i said that everything I did was wrong etc but this way it could not even make it to court one hopes.

I am pretty worried about it I am kinda hoping it will just go away; he didn't give me any documents or anything and he seemed pretty miffed when i just sat there in silence at the end and while he was telling me what would happen and then i just said 'yes' for understanding.

He said he would collect the video evidence and write a report and I would be reported for 'exceeding the speed limit' and 'dangerous driving' and would be asked to appear in court to explain the charges.

Maybe there is no evidence but he wants it to go to court anyway for in his own words to prevent me from 'becoming just another statistic.'
Even though I still feel I posed no danger to myself or others I think he is focusing on the overtake, as it was before a corner (but on a 1 way section) and the overtake was well before the corner.

I am thinking dangerous wont stick but dont really want to go to court either :s

Thing is i had no idea what to say when he asked me why i overtook the car, maybe i shoulda just remained silent. Only time will tell I guess.


edit: I believe if there is footage it would be shown to not be 'dangerous driving'. It sucks to just be in limbo- maybe it will go away,I have written a small essay in notepad lol thanks

[Blau Zedong]

You can't do anything untill a Summons appears on your mat. DD is Srs Business and can be punished by way of a custodial sentence (not likely but bare with me here). You will be elligeble for legal aid if they do chuck DD at you (as long as you don't earn silly money). Out of interest did they take a signed statement from you?

Oh...don't worry about video evidence or any of that crap - if there were two or more rozzers present they can usually get a DD to court on opinion alone.
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[yuri2085]

No i didnt sign anything, but he was asking me stuff and taking lots of notes, yer I guess all I can do is just wait.

Dont really want to go to court :s

[Blau Zedong]

Oh...another detail - DD can be tried by jury (i.e, Crown Court) if the defendant so wishes.

The reason I know this shit is that in 2004 I took on South Yorkshire police and won**

**Actually It took 10 months and a trip to Crown court to get the prosecution to see sense and downgrade the offence to CD10 (driving without due care)
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[yuri2085]

I'm a bit worried that I talked to much I should perhaps have exercised my right to remain silent :s

But I think they have the overtake on video i just hope me 'explaining' it wont be seen as admission of guilt.
At the time I said 'was going a little too fast' at one part I was thinking dont be a dick and you might get let off, now I am worried that was a really bad idea.

Anyway thanks for the advice will just have to wait then.

edit: I should have said i dont understand, wait for a copy of PACE to be deliverred, read it really slowly and then hope they get an emergency call ^^
ALthough I did want to get home :S

[iooi]

TBH. If they had video of you and had been following you, they should have got your plate.
Not stopping would have made it even worse. All they would have done is turned up at your address and taken it from there.

Just including failing to stop... And a nice vid of you evading them....
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[Barry_M2]

[stinkwheel]

On the plus side, Dangerous Driving has to be proved "beyond reasonable doubt". Due care and attention just needs to be "balance of probability".

It's MUCH harder to prove Dangerous Driving.

All of that said, if you do get a summons for DD, you really do need to get a solicitor.

It does sound like they set the wheels in motion to do you. I suspect a lot will depend on what is on the video (if anything) although they have the oppinion of two police officers too so video is not strictly necessary.

One other good thing is they are reporting you for speeding but don't appear to have actually measured your speed. If this is the case, a solicitor could make a lot of it.
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[Mister James]

[Barry_M2]

[yuri2085]

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Seriously was not dangerous and I went wide on the overtake in case the other driver moved I would have been able to move easily.

Put it latest possible it could have finished, I think it was earlier than that, only overtook the second car; the other one was tailgating me rather.


edit: something I forgot to mention here but which I did include on the notes i wrote down.

Second officer was busy and not listening to me while first officer was taking notes; I did not see what was written down.

-- This means a seconds officers varification means nothing, if they try and used his countersigned statement it will mean nothing; he was in the car most of the time checking out other stuff, and once didn't realise I was being asked questions and tried to interrupt me.

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[Vin]

[Mister James]

[Im-a-Ridah]

As I understand it, even if you don't sign the notes, they can still be used by the officer to recall the events, it would unreasonable for an officer to have to memorise the events of every single day and recall them months later! If you sign his notes then it's effectively a written statement by him on your behalf.

[Dom_]

I was reported for dangerous driving, if they took it seriously you should have been arrested, questioned and interviewed at the station.

Fortunately for me the the pair of half wits that reported me had 2 conflicting stories, neither added up and the charges were dropped after 6 months and 5 court appearances to careless driving. The biggest fucking waste of taxpayers money ever.

The best bit was that one 'proffessional' police motorcyclists smashed his sump to pieces whilst trying to catch me, they failed to mention that in court though, whilst moaning about me being the dangerous one. (I wasn't on the wrong side of the road causing traffic to weave with oil under my tyres)

My advice, get legal advice, write everything down whilst you still remember it and wait for them to fuck up. Most police are thick dropouts anyway, you only need to follow them for 10 minutes before one thick fucker trips up over his own bullshit.

[Hetzer]

[tykey]

^ i disagree. if a copper has cautioned you he/she can and WILL use anything you say against you in court... this doesn't need a signature to be admissable lol.... that's what the caution states

i've indirectly been involved in cases in court i.e. witness, friends getting done, where such evidence has been used. how effective it was i.e. did it make a difference? who knows.... you obviously couldnt base a whole prosecution around it. however whatever you said *under caution* and by the sound of it heard by another copper WILL be evidence with some value to the prosection should it come to court.

all in my opinion of course, but as said have seen such evidence used.

edited to add: all the above assumes it will go to a crown court, if it's demoted to a lesser charge of careless driving it'll be heard in a magistrates (even if you plead not guilty - no option of a jury for such lesser charges). and trust me 99% of magistrates will believe a copper over joe public. that bit i know

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[tykey]

[Hetzer]

[The Disapproving Brit]

Depends on the situation really. If you're nicked for shoplifting, stay quiet, then turn up at court with your missus confirming you were on holiday with her at the time, the prosecution are gonna want to know why you didn't mention this at the time.

If you've been nicked for dangerous driving, there's not really much they can infer from silence unless you try some creative defence like you were trying to get to hospital to see your dead aunt.
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