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PostPosted: 12:01 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Caught speeding Reply with quote

Seeing as there's always several bike threads about getting caught speeding etc I thought I'd stick my head in, my dad was sent a court summons after the car was caught doing 97 mph on the M4 on the 24th of August. It was me driving. Anyone care to tell me how I got caught as I didn't see a camera or a police car on the 12 mile stretch I was on the motorway? Also what are the penalties going to be?
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:22 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Caught speeding Reply with quote

quacker_boy wrote:
Anyone care to tell me how I got caught as I didn't see a camera or a police car on the 12 mile stretch I was on the motorway?


Possibly a helicopter, using those distance markers in the road.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Caught speeding Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
quacker_boy wrote:
Anyone care to tell me how I got caught as I didn't see a camera or a police car on the 12 mile stretch I was on the motorway?


Possibly a helicopter, using those distance markers in the road.


Mum's just emailed me the photo it's at a fairly high angle but not that high, looks like it could just be one of those ones on top of the bridges or something that watch the traffic. Didn't realise they were speed cameras as well. And thanks for the insight Skudd, real helpful Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like the ones on bridges which are usually the average speed ones who measure your speed over a distance. i think..
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
sounds like the ones on bridges which are usually the average speed ones who measure your speed over a distance. i think..


on bridge is usually the mobile ones, in vans. The things you see hanging down from bridges are just to monitor the flow of traffic.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
on bridge is usually the mobile ones, in vans. The things you see hanging down from bridges are just to monitor the flow of traffic.


That's what I thought but I'm SURE I don't remember seeing any vans. Either way can anyone tell me what the penalty will be?
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I got done on the motorway (98.6mph) it was an SP50 - 3 points and a fine.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally if your doing less than 100 on the motorway, you will get away with some points and a big fine, not forgetting bending over for big bubba.

I wouldn't of thought you'd get a ban, maybe 3-6 points and a few hundred quid fine. I'm sure someone will come along and let you know exactly how many points they can give you for exceeding the limit by 27mph.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a while ago, but I think my fine was about £60.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
It was a while ago, but I think my fine was about £60.


Suspects the stakes will be a bit higher now. Sucks. Speeding boys and girls. If you're gonna do it don't get caught Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it your first offence?

I got caught doing 39 in a 30 (in the car). Got offered a speed awareness course thing, obviously took it so i didn't get points.

Obviously you won't get away that likely i wouldn't of thought, but you maybe able to plead with the man in the funny wig to get less points and smaller fine, but do the awareness course aswell.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might be able to contest it (this is just hearsay and not legal advice) on the basis that the speed camera has to be no more than 10ft from the edge of the carriage way due to the fact that that the lazer can "slide" causing a higher speed reading.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveJPS wrote:
you might be able to contest it (this is just hearsay and not legal advice) on the basis that the speed camera has to be no more than 10ft from the edge of the carriage way due to the fact that that the lazer can "slide" causing a higher speed reading.

I wonder if they could contest that although the speed they have recorded was 97mph most speedos in vehicles over read and so would have read 110mph?
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

from standing more than 10ft from the carriage way you can record stationary cars at 40+mph dependent on angle
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveJPS wrote:
you might be able to contest it (this is just hearsay and not legal advice) on the basis that the speed camera has to be no more than 10ft from the edge of the carriage way due to the fact that that the lazer can "slide" causing a higher speed reading.


Might just have been an observed timing between two points.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got 3 points (SP30) and a £60 fine for doing 68 in a 40. You'll probably get the same if it was a van and you weren't stopped by a real copper.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they do you too the letter of the law they will give a 5 points and possibly £200+ fine. If they are feeling nice then he might get less points or less of a fine. I was caught doing 89 in a 60 so i was lucky that i got away with 5 points.

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PostPosted: 23:35 - 05 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the warnings guys. I guess I've just gotta wait and see. Went and invested in a tub of vaseline just to make it slightly less painful Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 06 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a fixed penalty of 3 points and £60 fine for 98.6mph on the M74 a few years back.

At least I had the decency to get chased by a traffic car (for "17 miles and you must have been going a hell of a lot faster than that", according to the red-faced gentleman in the white hat).
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PostPosted: 05:27 - 06 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would`ve been a van parked on a bridge, somewhere near Swindon i`m guessing as that`s where they usualy are.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 06 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
It would`ve been a van parked on a bridge, somewhere near Swindon i`m guessing as that`s where they usualy are.


Thanks Phoenix, yeh it was a junction or two just before Swindon I think, I turned off at the junction near the Honda plant. Grumble. Guess that'll teach me to keep an eager eye out.

Laughing Stink, that's an impressive chase Laughing

Hopefully I'll get a similar sort of result as it's my first offence and first criminal activity of any kind, never been arrested or anything so fingers crossed I guess. Any clues on how bad it affects insurance?
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 06 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
on bridge is usually the mobile ones, in vans. The things you see hanging down from bridges are just to monitor the flow of traffic.

They also put ANPR cameras on the bridges. Very useful for tracking those stolen cars.
Plus I suppose at some point in the future these could form a national average speed camera network. Along the lines of we saw you here at this time and 100 miles away here 60 minutes later so here's your fine and points (go on, convince me it might not happen! Shocked)

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Last time I got done on the motorway (98.6mph) it was an SP50 - 3 points and a fine.

If that'd gone to court then the current guidelines are 4 to 6 points and a fine 75 to 125% of your relevant weekly income (nett - without tax and NI). Starting point for fine is 100% weekly income.

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PostPosted: 21:27 - 06 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boring old stretch of road aint it, The M4.

I was stopped doing 158mph on the M4 in Wiltshire a few months ago on the TLR. I had Dam_buster on the back.

Copper was well alright. He put me down as doing 98mph, And I got away lightly with only 3 points and a £60 Fine. (SP50)




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PostPosted: 00:26 - 07 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

quacker_boy wrote:

Laughing Stink, that's an impressive chase Laughing


He thought it was a chase because he'd been going hell for leather for 17 miles to catch up with me from a standstill

From my point of view, I was just riding along, saw blue lights approaching, backed off the throttle and stopped as soon as it was clear he was after me.

The backing off is what saved me from the magic 100mph+, he must've been taking the reading as I was backing off. I brake hard when I see blue lights in the mirror these days.

I did actually work this out after I got home. Along the lines of a bike going past a slip road at a steady 120mph. Volvo T5 accelerates hard up to 130mph from the top of the slip road as the bike goes past the end. Factoring in the head-start and the acceleration time of the car, it takes a good 16 miles for him to come up behind you again.
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