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_Alex_
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 29 Sep 2009    Post subject: Test Woes... Reply with quote

Hey guys, basically I have just booked my module 2 for thursday morning, and as i am doing it the cheepo-student way (i.e. without any tuition), I turn to the wisdom of BCF to carry me through.

I just have a few questions really.

1) Say you stop at some traffic lights to carry on, when you move off from standstill do you need to do any lifesavers, or will mirror checks suffice?

2) On a mini-roundabout, imagine the first exit is straight over. Do you need to signal as its the first exit, or not because you are going straight over?

3) Does anybody know a list of the show me/tell me questions that I can memorise? I can't see these as being difficult, I just don't wanna get caught out.

Finally, any more advice you can offer me is greatly appreciated.

Thanks kids Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 29 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right:

From memory (I did it in June) -

1. You can't do too many lifesavers (unless of course you are constantly looking behind) but for this circumstance mirror checks should suffice.

2. For mini roundabouts you don't need to signal if you are going straight over.

3. They're easy. Beep the horn, check the rear light and brake lights with your hand over the light, show how to check oil (easy), check the chain tension in the centre of the chain. Questions will be about pillion riding ie how it affects your balance etc...just common sense really.

And another tip, if you're coming to a box junction, check there's space the other side before you enter it (I failed cos of this).

It's simple though, good luck... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 29 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:
Hey guys, basically I have just booked my module 2 for thursday morning, and as i am doing it the cheepo-student way (i.e. without any tuition), I turn to the wisdom of BCF to carry me through.

I just have a few questions really.

1) Say you stop at some traffic lights to carry on, when you move off from standstill do you need to do any lifesavers, or will mirror checks suffice?
Yes, do a quick lifesaver first.
2) On a mini-roundabout, imagine the first exit is straight over. Do you need to signal as its the first exit, or not because you are going straight over?
It's always good practice to signal left just as you're exiting the roundabout regardless of whether it's your first exit or not.
3) Does anybody know a list of the show me/tell me questions that I can memorise? I can't see these as being difficult, I just don't wanna get caught out.
1)How to check if your lights and horn are functioning. Pretty straightforward.
2) How to ride with a pillion correctly: ensuring they don't make any signals themselves, making sure there are foot pegs for them to rest their feet on and how the extra weight of the pillion affects the handling / accelerating / braking of the bike.
3)Chain tension / tyre tread. tyre pressure, check front brakes don't stick etc.
4)Legal requirements: ie. tax / insurance / MOT etc

Finally, any more advice you can offer me is greatly appreciated.
Keep calm (easier said than done I know!) and enjoy the riding.
Thanks kids Very Happy


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PostPosted: 18:27 - 29 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:
Hey guys, basically I have just booked my module 2 for thursday morning, and as i am doing it the cheepo-student way (i.e. without any tuition), I turn to the wisdom of BCF to carry me through.

I just have a few questions really.

1) Say you stop at some traffic lights to carry on, when you move off from standstill do you need to do any lifesavers, or will mirror checks suffice?

2) On a mini-roundabout, imagine the first exit is straight over. Do you need to signal as its the first exit, or not because you are going straight over?

3) Does anybody know a list of the show me/tell me questions that I can memorise? I can't see these as being difficult, I just don't wanna get caught out.

Finally, any more advice you can offer me is greatly appreciated.

Thanks kids Very Happy

Pm Kickstart, Keith knows everything about everything when it comes to the road, teaching and tips about jumping through the hoop the test is.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 29 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:

1) Say you stop at some traffic lights to carry on, when you move off from standstill do you need to do any lifesavers, or will mirror checks suffice?


If you stop, check both shoulders before setting off again is what I was taught.

Also do the appropriate shoulder check when turning right, changing lanes, pulling out, just before taking the exit at a roundabout, crossing cycle lanes when turning left, and when the lane to your right closes forcing the traffic into your lane. Probably others I've forgot too.


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3) Does anybody know a list of the show me/tell me questions that I can memorise? I can't see these as being difficult, I just don't wanna get caught out.


https://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/COURSE+INFORMATION/MOTORCYCLE+TEST+QUESTIONS
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
_Alex_ wrote:

1) Say you stop at some traffic lights to carry on, when you move off from standstill do you need to do any lifesavers, or will mirror checks suffice?


If you stop, check both shoulders before setting off again is what I was taught.



Thats what i was taught too. Passed my test last year before all the new stuff came in but cant see basic principles being any different.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. You should do shoulder checks both sides before moving off from a temporary standstill. These are not the same as a lifesaver which is a complete look round.

2. In your example, you should indicate for the first exit as a vehicle coming the other way doesn't know if you're going straight ahead or turning right.

3. Google found this: https://www.motorcycle.co.uk/getdoc/576ed463-ff6d-452c-b0f4-dffe02c9f3e0/Motorcycle-test-questions.aspx

I would recommend reading the DSA Guide to Riding and Roadcraft:The Police Riders Handbook. As you're on a budget, try your local library.

Best of luck with your test.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

1. as the lights go yellow do a left and right leftsaver. by this time the lights gone green and you can proceed without any delays

2. technically there is no such thing as a 'mini-roundabout' they all are subject to the same practices/laws. if going straight over do not indicate left until you come level/pass the previous exit.

in your example you are meant to indicate. whether its straight over or not its the first exit so you should indicate its your intention to take it

by the letter of the law you are meant to indicate to pull off any roundabout so if turning right in a 4 exit rb you'd indicate right, go around, pass 1 exit, pass the 2nd and switch indicators to left, left lifesaver check before you exit and then exit.

be sure to cancel your indicator afterwards

3. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=show+me+tell+me+questions+motorcycle
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one simple rule that covers all signalling.

Indicate if it would be useful for any other road user.

Remember, you should only have one vehicle at a time on mini roundabouts.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, don't forget, when ever at a stop to have your foot on the back brake and not to hold it on the front.

2 second rule (i.e. stay 2 seconds behind what ever is in front of you)

Also, for pillion riding it might be worth mentioning to adjust tyre pressure and suspension accordingly.

Best of luck!

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PostPosted: 15:02 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, your all so good to us newbies!

One more thing, at a roundabout do you do a left lifesaver if turning left/straight over and a right lefesave for any other exit? Say you were approaching it from speed. I now know to check both shoulders if I come to a standstill at one Smile

Thanks

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ThoughtContro...
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:
Thanks guys, your all so good to us newbies!

One more thing, at a roundabout do you do a left lifesaver if turning left/straight over and a right lefesave for any other exit? Say you were approaching it from speed. I now know to check both shoulders if I come to a standstill at one Smile



Everyone gets to be a newbie at the start.

At a roundabout you'll do an appropriate lifesaver if changing lane, and do a left lifesaver before turning off your exit (just in case you go into some mad tw@ undertaking you at speed).

One point I got told is that a lifesaver is not just for your benefit, it's also so a car driver behind you has a visual indication that you're about to do something (if he's paying any attention and hasn't noticed those flashing yellow things).

Although you might not be able to afford a full DAS, a lesson or two might be useful to pick up any really bad habits. Nothing drums it into your head more than someone bellowing or bitching down your earhole, or plain ripping the piss out of your riding errors.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:

One more thing, at a roundabout do you do a left lifesaver if turning left/straight over and a right lefesave for any other exit? Say you were approaching it from speed. I now know to check both shoulders if I come to a standstill at one Smile


Always approach a roundabout as if you are going to stop.

Lifesaver in the direction you are going to be moving in or that danger is likely to be coming from. If in doubt, do one of each.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

400bandit wrote:
Also, don't forget, when ever at a stop to have your foot on the back brake and not to hold it on the front.


Yep safety position. Keep your left foot down and your right foot on your back brake when at a stop.


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2 second rule (i.e. stay 2 seconds behind what ever is in front of you)


4 seconds if in the wet.

"Only the fool breaks the two second rule"

Say it once if its dry, twice if its wet. If you pass the marker point before finishing the sentence, then you're too close.

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Also, for pillion riding it might be worth mentioning to adjust tyre pressure and suspension accordingly.


Make sure you can answer the pillion questions. Every test I had I got a pillion question by an examiner.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 30 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your at some traffic lights, do your spot checks when it goes amber (shoulder, mirror etc)..you dont really wanna be sitting on a green light then start doing your shoulder and mirror checks holing up the traffic Smile.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess who passed his bike test Very Happy

I am over the moon, and get to take my baby into Cambridge without L plates on for the first time!

When I'm back from college expect a 'which bike' thread to pop up!

Thanks again for all your help guys,

Regards

Alex
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

Pah you posted like 10 mins before me. Razz. My post is redundant.

Congratulations! We both passed today! Laughing!
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: Test Woes... Reply with quote

_Alex_ wrote:
Guess who passed his bike test Very Happy

I am over the moon, and get to take my baby into Cambridge without L plates on for the first time!

When I'm back from college expect a 'which bike' thread to pop up!

Thanks again for all your help guys,

Regards

Alex


Paulington wrote:
Pah you posted like 10 mins before me. Razz. My post is redundant.

Congratulations! We both passed today! Laughing!


Well done lads! Karma
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, I do think that perhaps too many people rush out for intensive courses when all they really need is a quick session on how to ride for your test.

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PostPosted: 17:04 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

400bandit wrote:
Well done, I do think that perhaps too many people rush out for intensive courses when all they really need is a quick session on how to ride for your test.

Joe


True, I think riding about for a year on L's you can become a pretty confident rider, much more so than someone who has never ridden before and does a DAS course in 4 days, even if they pass at the end I can't see they can feel that confident with so little road time under their belt. The only thing is you tend to pick up bad habits which can be hard to shake off, suppose doing the DAS can really drum into you all the right things to get through your test.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cant really beat experience in my opinion. Well done mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 01 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd been riding for just over a year on 'L' plates, I did two days of training + test.

All I had to had drummed into me was to slow it down a bit, relax and make sure to do all proper observations.

But yeah, experience is key, even if you pick up bad habits they are much easier to fix than to teach someone something completely new!
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PostPosted: 04:57 - 02 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys! I completely agree with what your all saying. For me it was just a case of learning proper observations, but I had no external training from anywhere. So, instead of a 500 pound DAS course, you can spend £111 pounds on test fees and a bit on petrol - seems a better way to do it than me!

Sure I'm going to get a lot of 'but I'm a better rider as I had tuition' but I think we're all gonna pick up some bad habits anyway. I would personally say test standard isn't the safest way to ride, so I will adapt my style now anyway!

Now to start looking at some old bandits/ntvs Very Happy
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 02 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
[4 seconds if in the wet.

"Only the fool breaks the two second rule"

Say it once if its dry, twice if its wet. If you pass the marker point before finishing the sentence, then you're too close.



Collected on my CBT "Only a twat rides like that"

And on another forum "Only a c**t hits the car in front"

My CBT instructor said he'd swap to my version Wink
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