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Brolly Dolly



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PostPosted: 22:45 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

1st of all I'd like to say "Hi", I registered earlier today whilst at work and had a pleasant time reading the forums Smile

Secondly, please don't kill me because I only have a 50cc scooter!
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Thirdly I need some advice:

On the way home tonight I was travelling uphill when a 4 door family car raced up behind me (speed check said they were going 41mph). The driver pulls into the centre of the road, the front passenger hits me over the head with a glass bottle, the rear passenger punches me in the kidney, and to top it off they then used the side of the car to knock me over.

I get a partial plate, called the fuzz. Got a reference number and all that. Phone the insurance company (MCE) and they tell me I'm not covered for "vandalism" as I'm third party. Surely this isn't right? Help me, knowledgable people!

Oh and the big question: keep riding, yes or no?
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, sorry to hear about that. That's crazy though, it's definitely not vandalism, they are liable for assaulting you. I'm sure there's a proper legal name for when they deliberately cause your vehicle to crash but it's not coming to me. Ah... a collision, that's what it is, which means once they drove off without stopping you have every right to prosecute.

Definitely don't give up riding though Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty shitty, I'm pretty sure if you don't claim for a personal injury they should follow the claim through, but you'll need the other drivers details, and I'm pretty sure he didn't stop to hand them over.

Could also be a stolen car, which if that is the case, your insurance won't do anything.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:
"vandalism" as I'm third party.


How is that vandalism?

Any CCTV of any sort where it happened?
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:


Oh and the big question: keep riding, yes or no?


Definitely don't give up riding but have to ask is this sort of behaviour normal for around where your from? I know some areas have problems with chavs but this sounds ridiculous! Where are you from btw?
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have slammed your brakes on once you saw the car stayed near you really. Oh well.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bummer m8
Dont let them put you off, keep going, sounds like a random group of pricks. I bet they wouldnt have one it with some more bikes there.

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Brolly Dolly



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PostPosted: 10:49 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crana wrote:
Should have slammed your brakes on once you saw the car stayed near you really. Oh well.


Didn't have time. Usually that's what I do but he just cam up so fast I didn't really have time to react. From the point I checked my mirrors to the bottle on my head was less than two seconds (I think).

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How is that vandalism?

Any CCTV of any sort where it happened?


No, no CCTV unfortunately. Sad

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Definitely don't give up riding but have to ask is this sort of behaviour normal for around where your from? I know some areas have problems with chavs but this sounds ridiculous! Where are you from btw?


I've been run off the road once before nearby by a white van. There's a lot of "petty" crime, car theft, muggins etc. Orpington/Sidcup area.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:
and to top it off they then used the side of the car to knock me over.

I get a partial plate, called the fuzz. Got a reference number and all that. Phone the insurance company (MCE) and they tell me I'm not covered for "vandalism" as I'm third party. Surely this isn't right? Help me, knowledgable people!

Oh and the big question: keep riding, yes or no?


Get back onto the phone with MCE and tell them that you were knocked off your bike, by the car.. That then failed to stop.
Its been reported to the police.
If they still fail to act get onto one of the no win no fee lot and get them to take it on.
As well as reporting MCE to the Ins Ombudsman

As to keeping riding, only you can answer that one.
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Brolly Dolly



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PostPosted: 12:39 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Get back onto the phone with MCE and tell them that you were knocked off your bike, by the car.. That then failed to stop.
Its been reported to the police.
If they still fail to act get onto one of the no win no fee lot and get them to take it on.
As well as reporting MCE to the Ins Ombudsman

As to keeping riding, only you can answer that one.


Just got back from talking with MCE, I have a claim number now and the woman was really apologetic for their previous refusal to help. They won't pay for repairs or for a new bike, but they advised I talk to a solicitor. Thanks for your help Smile

EDIT: Raised the issue with the Motor Insurers' Bureau.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 15 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whooooahh, that sounds completey crazy.. why would they? how? what!? oncoming traffic? that sucks, but i wouldn't think it would be called vandalism, keep riding chin up 50ccer Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 15 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:

Just got back from talking with MCE, I have a claim number now and the woman was really apologetic for their previous refusal to help. They won't pay for repairs or for a new bike, but they advised I talk to a solicitor. Thanks for your help Smile

EDIT: Raised the issue with the Motor Insurers' Bureau.


At least its getting sorted, good to you for not giving up mate Thumbs Up

I'll stay clear of Sidcup me thinks, tbh how much of this shite ever happens? I think unfortunately to vanflyheight13 this is just unlucky one time situation, I'm really stoked. If it happens again though, brake as Crana said (Even when I'm in the car, if someone goes to overtake I always come off the accelerator a touch, so theyy'll ease pass, life isn't a race (when not in my astra) and the way some pricks drive they never give a foo about anyone than themselves..) but honestly if your in that situation its easier to say than do, you don't expect this kind of shite to happen anywhere, anytime.

Fair do's mate, keep your head-up and keep us posted Smile
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Brolly Dolly



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PostPosted: 12:51 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

Imyself wrote:

I'll stay clear of Sidcup me thinks, tbh how much of this shite ever happens?


Sicdup's crap. Really wish I could move out of the area to a nicer area, but money's tight Sad

I (and my friends) have things thrown at them, abuse from drivers/chavs, and the odd bout of criminal damage fairly often - once a month or more. The police are really not bothered with motorbikes, except pulling us up when someone's nicked one of our collevtive tax discs. Evil or Very Mad

I've used my savings to buy myself a brand new bike, a Suzuki Marauder 125, it looks the part and hopefully should give me enough power to get out of a few more situations.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was gonna advise MIB, they WILL pay for repairs to your bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:

I (and my friends) have things thrown at them, abuse from drivers/chavs, and the odd bout of criminal damage fairly often - once a month or more. The police are really not bothered with motorbikes, except pulling us up when someone's nicked one of our collevtive tax discs. Evil or Very Mad

I've used my savings to buy myself a brand new bike, a Suzuki Marauder 125, it looks the part and hopefully should give me enough power to get out of a few more situations.


That's crap mate, I'm lucky to live where I am I guess though I'm not a biker at the moment, I've never heard of anything like that happening anywhere in the country, having friends in Manchester, Liverpool, Lancashire then down 'ere in London down to Bournemouth, I've never heard anyone treating bikers like shit before.

I don't know how much free time you got, but what are the other police near to you like than Sidcup stations? They should be more interested if you contact them. The police round here seem quite friendly but I haven't had to deal with them with things like this, cos it doesn't get that far lol mates and all Wink

If all else fails write to your local MP, the local ones here have always replied and actually I've been pleasantly surprised at their response (meaning they've been in agreement..) at least if enough people highlight a problem then the feds are pressed to do something about it. Could even get the local papers involved.

Feck now I sound like a politician but if you keep quiet about it, nothing can ever be done.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got home from work, and there's a letter from Bromley Police station.

They now say there's "not enough evidence" to carry on investigating, and that my case is now closed.

This is despite the fact that the camera at the junction up the road is functional, and they won't accept the various homeowner's CCTV footage as it "may have been fabricated".

Annoyed doesn't cover it. Evil or Very Mad Middle Finger Evil or Very Mad Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A nice little letter to the Chief Constable on why you feel this attempt on your life has not been properly investigated, with the hint that the papers might have to pick up the slack left by the police should have the desired effect.


Ask him "since when was cases of attemted murder involving GBH closed until solved?"
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If all else fails write to your local MP, the local ones here have always replied


Good advise, with a election comming up soon. They will be looking at something to help boost their profile.
I would see if the papers are interested anyway.

Does any of the CCTV show the car reg ?
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to be so suspicious but lately there have been a few tall tales and this one sounds so ridiculous it does make me wonder about it's content. Feel free to correct me Thumbs Up

https://preprod.lithium.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message?board.id=70&thread.id=794825&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

So was it a drive by bottling or a polo crossing the junction?


https://preprod.lithium.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message?board.id=70&thread.id=350295&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

You don't have much luck with cars either.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
Sorry to be so suspicious but lately there have been a few tall tales and this one sounds so ridiculous it does make me wonder about it's content. Feel free to correct me Thumbs Up

https://preprod.lithium.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message?board.id=70&thread.id=794825&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

So was it a drive by bottling or a polo crossing the junction?


https://preprod.lithium.eu.playstation.com/playstationeu/board/message?board.id=70&thread.id=350295&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

You don't have much luck with cars either.


The incident when I was cycling is old, and I'll think you'll agree there's a lot of animosity from a lot of motorists towards cyclists.

The polo incident happend the day beforehand, the 11th. I'd just got the steering assembly replaced when this happened, the 12th. I was literally on the way home from the garage (via a stop at my gf's).

You don't have to believe me, but you could at least try to be polite about it. Here's the letter from the police; give them a ring quoting the reference number, or do you want me to scan the paramedics report too?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
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If all else fails write to your local MP, the local ones here have always replied


Good advise, with a election comming up soon. They will be looking at something to help boost their profile.
I would see if the papers are interested anyway.

Does any of the CCTV show the car reg ?


The resident's cctv just shows what happened, wrong angle to get plates. Admittedly it is a bit blurry, and the police won't accept it since they didn't offer it up when the incident happend, again citing that it "could have been fabricated".

The junction up the road, well I'm not sure about the status of the camera. I'm assuming either they didn't look/it's a dummy/it was pointing the wrong way.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Get back onto the phone with MCE and tell them that you were knocked off your bike, by the car.. That then failed to stop.
Its been reported to the police.
If they still fail to act get onto one of the no win no fee lot and get them to take it on.
As well as reporting MCE to the Ins Ombudsman


Really hate to burst your bubble here but Third Party Fire and Theft - think about it, it's covering THIRD PARTY DAMAGE, FIRE AND THEFT. Where's the third party damage, the fire or the theft?

So what the hell do you suppose MCE have done wrong? It's not covered!!

As for Sidcup - err, it's not that bad Confused I lived there for 3 years prior to moving back to Essex, and the wife had been there 10 years prior to that, and we'd never had any trouble.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

arry wrote:
iooi wrote:

Get back onto the phone with MCE and tell them that you were knocked off your bike, by the car.. That then failed to stop.
Its been reported to the police.
If they still fail to act get onto one of the no win no fee lot and get them to take it on.
As well as reporting MCE to the Ins Ombudsman


Really hate to burst your bubble here but Third Party Fire and Theft - think about it, it's covering THIRD PARTY DAMAGE, FIRE AND THEFT. Where's the third party damage, the fire or the theft?

So what the hell do you suppose MCE have done wrong? It's not covered!!

As for Sidcup - err, it's not that bad Confused I lived there for 3 years prior to moving back to Essex, and the wife had been there 10 years prior to that, and we'd never had any trouble.


I just phoned them up to see, I didn't really know what was covered and what wasn't. Still, it's annoying to find out that through no fault of my own I have to pay out Sad
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: New biker, until today. Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:

Still, it's annoying to find out that through no fault of my own I have to pay out Sad


Absolutely, but that's why you buy fully comprehensive cover if it's worth doing, to cover these sorts of incidents.

If you've no movement from the police in terms of tracking down the culprits, then unfortunately there's no-one for you to claim from. You cannot claim from the MIB either, I'm afraid, as that particular pot covers against uninsured drivers who are traceable. Since the vehicle or driver isn't traceable, it is not eligible for a pay out.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

vanflyheight13 wrote:


You don't have to believe me, but you could at least try to be polite about it.


I was polite about it which is why I said feel free to correct me with a thumbs up.
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