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PostPosted: 16:03 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Hand sanitziers... Reply with quote

So they all claim to kill 99% of germs, except the latest batch at my work state they kill 99.999% of all germs!!

So why can't they make one to kill 100% of all germs and just do away with all these 9's. Also, how do we know or not wether that 0.0001% of germs is the one that keeps giving us all colds/flu's etc? It could be that the 99.999% covers all other germs you'd never get in britian and using this stuff is actually pointless anyway... Confused Laughing And finally, just how many different germs does that 0.0001% represent anyway!!? Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can't safely kill off 100% of germs, because that'd probably eat our skin.
I love the idea that 100% of bacteria/germs/bugs/whatever are supposed to be harmful in a big way: given that we play willing host to several billion (if not trillion) such beasties, I find this whole cleanliness rant to be laughable.

In related news, we've had loads of those alcohol-based gels dotted around the campus. I'm surprised that no student's tried drinking the stuff yet, in truth...
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aids? Laughing
Found this though.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071129063754AAM2ykj
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably won't kill Hepatitis C.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm waiting for the day when they get an ex-Mail advertising guy on the team, so it reads as "Kills 99.99% of DEATH in all forms!"

Capitalised to try and express some of the BrassEye-style delivery it needs...
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:

In related news, we've had loads of those alcohol-based gels dotted around the campus. I'm surprised that no student's tried drinking the stuff yet, in truth...


Had a patient take a bottle from the ambo and cover himself in it then threaten to set himself alight... not cool! Shocked

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PostPosted: 18:41 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:


In related news, we've had loads of those alcohol-based gels dotted around the campus. I'm surprised that no student's tried drinking the stuff yet, in truth...


They had to remove it from the entrance of some hospitals in London because the tramps kept drinking it. Confused
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Germ" is a bit of a vague term. Basically an infectious agent that can cause disease.

Usually a bacteria, virus or fungus, but not always.

So, one that kills 99.999 will fail to kill one out of every 100,000 of these.

A few spring to mind that are very hard to kill.

One is the bacteria Pseudomonas Aurigenosa which has a coating round it and is very good at adapting to survive attempts to kill it. It had been known to even colonise the chlorhexidine scrub surgeons wash their hands in.

Spore forming organisms, including many of the fungi and certain bacteria (eg. anthrax) are also tricky because the spore is very resistant to external attack.

Another one that springs to mind is the infectious agent in transmissable spongiform encephalopathies (such as CJD) this is just a short chain protien with a bit of nucleic acid attached called a prion. It doesn't have much of a 3D structure and so it VERY resistant to destruction. It can even survive being autoclaved (heated to 137 degrees for 15 minutes). I can't think of anything you could safely put on your hands that would destroy a prion.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I can't think of anything you could safely put on your hands that would destroy a prion.


1930 Ariel's morning dump? Oh... safely? Nevermind.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who really uses these gels?

If everyone was exposed to all of these bad boy germs from a younger age perhaps our immune systems would be a bit better.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Who really uses these gels?

If everyone was exposed to all of these bad boy germs from a younger age perhaps our immune systems would be a bit better.


We do in our house. Because the Mrs is on dialysis we have them in the kitchen, bathroom & dialysis room, courtesy of the NHS. Thumbs Up I bung a bottle my dads way (he's diabetic) so he can clean any cuts my dog gives him etc. Laughing

But I agree, normally, a few germs are good for you.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use them everytime i go to the hospital (if instructed to do so). However fit the nurses are, they suddenly turn unfit when they start going all demon like on you for not nuking your hands Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you use them on your todger if you have just been with a dirty Gerty?
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Can you use them on your todger if you have just been with a dirty Gerty?


Try it and let us know. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

flip wrote:

We do in our house. Because the Mrs is on dialysis we have them in the kitchen, bathroom & dialysis room, courtesy of the NHS. Thumbs Up I bung a bottle my dads way (he's diabetic) so he can clean any cuts my dog gives him etc. Laughing



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PostPosted: 21:24 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:


You're a little different from average then. Thumbs Up


It's always been a problem. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 12 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Who really uses these gels?


I do. I keep a bottle in the car for use every time I visit my mum in the retirement home. When you think of the number of sick old people in leaky incontinence pants handling door knobs and lift buttons, you'd use it too.

The wife works in a GP's office, so she also uses some after leaving work.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did use the stuff at work for a while but then my hands started cracking up and becoming sore. Since I've stopped using the stuff ny hands have been fine again!
However since I've managed to remain alive and in pretty good health for the last 33 years of my life, I think I can currently keep going without burning my hands off! Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major_Grooves wrote:
nowhere.elysium wrote:


In related news, we've had loads of those alcohol-based gels dotted around the campus. I'm surprised that no student's tried drinking the stuff yet, in truth...


They had to remove it from the entrance of some hospitals in London because the tramps kept drinking it. Confused


l remeber hearing this a while ago and thinking why they dont put something simluar to bitmax(sp*) into it like they do with nail polish remover to stop kids drinking it (nasty stuff makes you throw up instanly).
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatters wrote:


l remeber hearing this a while ago and thinking why they dont put something simluar to bitmax(sp*) into it like they do with nail polish remover to stop kids drinking it (nasty stuff makes you throw up instanly).


So you wash your hands with it before you have your lunch, then throw up because you've got bitmax all over your hands and picked up your sandwich with them.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I foolish to be wondering about the incredible evolutionary pressures to become alcohol resistant?
Although perhaps as the intermediate stages are (maybe) no advantage, and this protective wall you speak of is quite a large mutation could be why this isn't happening?
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
tatters wrote:


l remeber hearing this a while ago and thinking why they dont put something simluar to bitmax(sp*) into it like they do with nail polish remover to stop kids drinking it (nasty stuff makes you throw up instanly).


So you wash your hands with it before you have your lunch, then throw up because you've got bitmax all over your hands and picked up your sandwich with them.


you would need to swallow more than what would be left on your hands after using the hand wash, its a solvent so dissipates very quickly.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Who really uses these gels?

If everyone was exposed to all of these bad boy germs from a younger age perhaps our immune systems would be a bit better.


I've got bottles in every kit bag and belt-pouch I own, so I don't get caught out.

Putting up with the germs a normal cleanly person encounters in a normal, clean environment is one thing; but as soon as you start encountering members of the underclass or chaps from cultures that don't encourage personal hygiene you'll realise the need to have some form of cleaning your hands available on the street.

I realise that if your hands get properly contaminated gel cleaners won't be totally effective, but it's a start, and better than nothing.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first time i used it at hospital i smelled it and decided to lick it because it smelt like alcohol. It tastes bitter. I don't use it day to day just when you have to at hospital. Whats wrong with good old fashioned washing your hands with hot water and soap.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 13 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
Am I foolish to be wondering about the incredible evolutionary pressures to become alcohol resistant?
Although perhaps as the intermediate stages are (maybe) no advantage, and this protective wall you speak of is quite a large mutation could be why this isn't happening?


The bug I mentiones (pseudomonas could probably adapt to high alcohol conditions very quickly. Bet you could produce an alcohol resistant strain in the lab in less than a fortnight

Some strains of that bacteria (causes a problem for my profession in dogs ears) are totally resistant to all first, second and third line antibiotics, we have to treat these infections by flushing with vinegar.
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