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Jackers008
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Getting back on the road after an accident Reply with quote

New to the forums and just wanted some advice.

A few years ago I was involved in a pretty bad accident involving me on my 98 r1 and a van. The van pulled out of a junction and I went straight into the side of it around 70mph. I had a long list of serious injuries and have been left with permanent damage but I was 18 at the time and had fitness on my side so I have recovered well. The case was settled in my favour and I received compensation but this didnt mean much due to the careless actions of the van driver.

For years I have tried not to think about bikes and what it was like riding, almost blanking it out but lately I have been bitten by the bug and I really want to get back on a bike and give it another try. Of course it will take time to build my confidence up but I'm willing to give it a try as I miss the freedom and cars are not really for me.

Has anyone been in a similar situation or willing to offer me some advice to whether this is a wise move?

Many thanks.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: Getting back on the road after an accident Reply with quote

Jackers008 wrote:
Many thanks.


It is hard, I've had a couple of (much less serious) accidents which made it hard for me to get confidence back on a bike. Most recently my main issue was that of having to get back on a powerful bike and ride in poor weather etc.

So Instead of doing that I sold the Fireblade and bought a Triumph speed four. I soon got back into the swing of things and my confidence came back quickly.

However, in your case I do feel that an R1 is a little much for someone of little riding experience, and I would say that you will be much less likely for you to get yourself into trouble on a smaller bike. Its all well and good trying to make yourself feel better by saying that it was entirely the van drivers fault. You must realise that some of the blame for the accident must lie with you. Whether it be poor obs or whatever... it is possible to avoid hitting a van, if it pulls out on you by way of forward planning, observation, appropriate speed and defensive riding. You need to learn from that mistake.

I'd also suggest doing an advanced riding course of some description, as the worst thing that could happen to you is that you get your confidence back quickly and the same thing happens again.

My advice is, try a smaller naked bike for a year or two and see how you get on before you rush back to the sportsbikes. See if your observation has improved, and see if you're a bit more careful in general. If so, you should be able to sensibly make the decision to get a bigger bike or whatever you want to do.

The key thing is not to get swept up in Top Trumps or riding games with your mates. Take it at YOUR pace and try to think objectively about what that pace is. Getting back on an R1 and riding at 100mph everywhere will either scare you off, or you'll hurt yourself again.

I don't want to sound too preachy, but being careful is the only way you'll get back in the saddle as it were.

Good luck! Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: Getting back on the road after an accident Reply with quote

Jackers008 wrote:
A few years ago I was involved in a pretty bad accident involving me on my 98 r1 and a van.

You managed to crash a '98 R1? Shocked I thought they could phase through walls and other objects. Unless the van of course acts like Kryptonite to the '98 R1.

If the '98 R1 has a weakness then maybe Chuck Norris also has a weakness. Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You were 18 and had an R1.

Was it you brother tony`s...
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response.

I can understand the r1 was a big machine at the young age I was but I had already owned a zxr 400 and gsxr 600 so I did not jump straight onto the r1 and I was aware of how powerful they were. So please do not try and assume that I was one of these young riders that just wanted the biggest bike around as this was the attitude most of the older bikers gave me without even knowing anything and it was pretty tedious to be honest. But anyhow if I get another bike it will be another zxr 400 as I loved the way it handled and the fact it was not stupidly fast. The van driver was charged by the police so I would like to think that none of it was my fault as I would be the first person to admit any mistake of my own Smile
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackers008 wrote:
Thanks for the response.

I can understand the r1 was a big machine at the young age I was but I had already owned a zxr 400 and gsxr 600 so I did not jump straight onto the r1 and I was aware of how powerful they were. So please do not try and assume that I was one of these young riders that just wanted the biggest bike around as this was the attitude most of the older bikers gave me without even knowing anything and it was pretty tedious to be honest. But anyhow if I get another bike it will be another zxr 400 as I loved the way it handled and the fact it was not stupidly fast. The van driver was charged by the police so I would like to think that none of it was my fault as I would be the first person to admit any mistake of my own Smile


Well, you were 18 and had a '98 R1...

Anyway. So the van driver was 100% at fault and he was charged. Despite this, I would say that you should not have been doing anywhere near 70mph if you had planned ahead and observed the junction etc (I know, I wasn't there and I didn't witness it - just hear me out for a minute!).

The thing about bike riding is that you can't just barrel around at 100mph everywhere. There are times when you can go fast, and times when you shouldn't. There was an element of bad luck in your accident I think, but if you now go out and do some advanced training it is much less likely for the same situation to occur again.

Your confidence issue is good, because it means that you WILL be careful. The best attitude to have about accidents is to realise that even if we are not legally to blame for it, there are lessons we can learn and things we can do differently in the future. The trick is to always analyse your own riding and be critical of it. That is the only way to improve.

I would like to think that none of the crashes I had were my fault in any way, but I have to admit that I am partially or wholly responsible for all of them. And I've learned a lot from it. I can't say that my most recent accident will be my last, but I can say that it was my fault and I've learned from it. (I've been riding ten years and had three relatively minor accidents on the road and one on the track.)

I'm sure there are very very few situations where someone can say "I did nothing wrong but still had an accident". Maybe if you got run over by a truck at standstill or something I guess. I'm not saying the accident was your fault, but I'm saying that there were probably things you could have done to at least make it less serious.

Take it one step at a time and try to be critical of your own riding. Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above, while the 'blame' can be assigned to another road user, it pretty much all accidents, it can also be prevented by the other party too.

I would recommend having a look at your local IAM group (not all are good) and seeing if they offer a free-first day to get an idea of what they do.
My instructor was happily taking single carrigway A-roads faster on his Pan than I normally would, with me on a CBR600.
'Bikesafe' is also worth considering, though having some knowledge of the area I found some of the cops a bit arrogant.

Oh and he didn't crash a 98R1, the 98R1 crashed /him/ Razz.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackers008 wrote:
The van driver was charged by the police so I would like to think that none of it was my fault as I would be the first person to admit any mistake of my own Smile



I'm sorry to say this because you've obviously been in a very serious accident. But if you can come out of it and say none of it was your fault you're an utter immature knob - of course it was partly your friggin fault! Rolling Eyes
Get yourself a CG125 and hopefully you'll learn to ride properly before bothering with anything bigger and putting the rest of us in any danger. Ever heard of hazard perception!? And quite frankly it sounds like you'd actually be the LAST person to admit any fault might be yours, not the first...
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Your confidence issue is good, because it means that you WILL be careful. The best attitude to have about accidents is to realise that even if we are not legally to blame for it, there are lessons we can learn and things we can do differently in the future. The trick is to always analyse your own riding and be critical of it. That is the only way to improve.


I believe that I will be more careful this time round and that my accident can only make me more aware of the road and how unpredictable it is. I was only looking for some inspiration to get me back on a bike, not to be judged by my previous choice of motorcycle and how I rode it.

Still thanks for the wise words.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:

I'm sorry to say this because you've obviously been in a very serious accident. But if you can come out of it and say none of it was your fault you're an utter immature knob - of course it was partly your friggin fault! Rolling Eyes
Get yourself a CG125 and hopefully you'll learn to ride properly before bothering with anything bigger and putting the rest of us in any danger. Ever heard of hazard perception!? And quite frankly it sounds like you'd actually be the LAST person to admit any fault might be yours, not the first...


Please come back to me when you have been through similar and see if you have the same attitude. Okay I could of been more observant etc but s**t happens on the roads. I didnt come here looking for sympathy. Why take such a high horse stance? You just sound like an idiot.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackers008 wrote:
Please come back to me when you have been through similar and see if you have the same attitude. Okay I could of been more observant etc but s**t happens on the roads. I didnt come here looking for sympathy. Why take such a high horse stance? You just sound like an idiot.


That's just it though, it's highly unlikely I'll go through similar because I'm more careful how I ride and think far enough ahead. If I see a junction ahead I'll slow down to a speed that enables me to stop before a vehicle pulling out or at the very least avoid it.

I'm at least glad to see you do admit you could have been more observant and of course shit happens on the roads, that's why we have to be so observant in the first place! I'm not jumping on a high horse, just telling it as it is. An 18yr old coming on here saying you've crashed into a van at 70mph when it was pulling out on you but that none of it was your fault makes you look the idiot not me. I've just put in harsher words what others have already been saying in posts above.

The most important thing about you getting back on a bike again is seeing you made an error of judgement in your accident and how to avoid that happening again. Saying you don't think you were at fault makes me think you haven't learnt the lesson, but you now say you do actually realise you could've been more observant which is a good thing. So good luck to you! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

could you lot please wind your necks in?!

the guys done nothing wrong by you and is simply asking for advice on getting back on the road after an accident and all you lot can do is jump down his throat because he was young and (god forbid) owned an r1!

no one knows any details of the accident so dont presume anything. i know we've had to put up with tonys bs lately but doesnt mean everyone is like that.

hardly a nice welcome for the lad Mad

but anyway. not having been in the same situation as you jackers i dont know how much i can help (i've come off at higher speed than 70 but it was on the track so i just slid off and hurt my pride.. and my bike Sad) i cant begin to understand how tough it must have been on the road to recovery.

its a good thing you want to get back on the road though, proves a good state of mind Smile

i can only suggest taking it easy and ease yourself into it with a few short rides and build your confidence back up as you way.

might even be worth booking a refresher with the local training centre just to brush up if you've been off the road for a few years as your live savers etc.. might be a bit rusty.

good luck to you m8 and hopefully you wont have to go through anything like that again
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for the mature response supZ.

I can understand it's difficult for some people to cope with idea of someone young on a powerful motorcycle but worse things happen! And like you say no one on here witnessed my accident so therefore has no right to comment on whether it was my fault or someone else's. I was a regular member on this board years ago prior to my accident and thought I could get some positive attitudes towards getting on a bike again. I hope more like-minded individuals like yourself can help out.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd personally say get a 125 or a 400 whilst you build your confidence up. CG125 that is Razz Those things are fucking awesome.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So everyone slows down to 30mph as they pass junctions on a dual carriageway do they?

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^

Jackers008 wrote:
if I get another bike it will be another zxr 400 as I loved the way it handled and the fact it was not stupidly fast


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PostPosted: 17:24 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
So everyone slows down to 30mph as they pass junctions on a dual carriageway do they?

No, hitting a car at 30mph still hurts Smile.
When I'm making an effort, however, I do try to make good observations and adjust my bike position and speed appropriately.
How far up the other road can I see, what's oncoming traffic like, do I have good indicators that other road users are aware of me?.. and so on.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jackers,

I had a low speed spill after a 7.5 tonne truck pulled out on me as I overtook it on an RXS100 years ago , after 4 years and a number of operations I was finally back on my feet, but by this time I had a 9 month old son - so I didn't get back on the bike! At the time I was still learning, still on L plates and sure I could have done something to reduce the accident, more obs, mounted the pavement, gone a different way etc... but it happened and I learnt from it!

This year I decided to get back on a bike, I had always loved it and was missing out going for rides with my son (now 13) and hub, so said stuff it I'm going to do it... after a few terrifying days training I started to get more and more confidence back and 6 months later took my test, I now ride a 500cc and love every minute of it.

To second supZ... go do a refresher day/course and give yourself time to build your confidence back up and take it one ride at a time!!!

Good luck and ride safe! Thumbs Up

EDIT: I said I was still learning when I had the accident and meant to add that I still am learning... in fact have only just started to learn!!!


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PostPosted: 17:38 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

junction dont usually appear on 70mph zones...so im guessing you were speeding a bit, but who doesnt eh Thumbs Up

Only thing i could really say is just make sure you are comfortable with riding again.

My solicitors are advising me to go on a motorcycle therapy course to get me back on the road after my crash, was pretty severe, but was at 30mph.

It was also held in my favour..still battling though!

I would say start off pretty careful, more observant...have you been driving a car since, that has helped me alot!
Defiantely try out a few bikes, just to get into the feel of it.
Where abouts are you from, if you want to get a feel of bikes again and live near me you are welcome to use my 500 to potter around a private road near me.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
So everyone slows down to 30mph as they pass junctions on a dual carriageway do they?

Mark
Dual carriageways usually have these things called slip roads where the vehicles joining the carriageway are doing close to the speed you are doing before they actually join.

Additionally, on a dual carriageway it is usually prudent to observe the slip roads joining and see if there is some pratt in a van that is likely to not look to see if you are there, and therefore take avoiding action. Even on a dual carriageway, with traffic in the right hand lane it is often possible (although rather dangerous) to go inbetween the joining van and the traffic on the right and emerge unscathed.

If the van was pulling out of a junction on a single carriageway, there is still usually time for some kind of braking or evasive action. Our OP was either travelling at well over 70mph and braked down to 70, or travelling at 70 and took no avoiding action. Either way you can usually spot numpties at junctions who are likely to pull out on you, and you can usually position yourself on the road such that any van/car/vehicle pulling out as you pass the junction will still leave enough room to get by.

Unless you've got a fat-ass bike like a Pan European of course... Razz Wink Smile
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
So everyone slows down to 30mph as they pass junctions on a dual carriageway do they?

No, hitting a car at 30mph still hurts Smile.
When I'm making an effort, however, I do try to make good observations and adjust my bike position and speed appropriately.
How far up the other road can I see, what's oncoming traffic like, do I have good indicators that other road users are aware of me?.. and so on.


I imagine it does Smile

I've had two accidents that have resulted in write offs.

The first was when I was riding past a junction in town and the driver of a stolen car just raced across without even slowing and went into the side of me.

The other was when crossing a junction (at about 20/25mph) and an ambulance smashed into me. Fortunately I was in the car at the time. He went through a red light on the wrong side of the road. He had blues and twos on but because the junction was quite built up you couldn't see or hear him until through the lights.
His account of events differed from his colleague's and I believe he got dismissed for it.

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PostPosted: 17:46 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

At 18 shouldn't you have been on a restricted bike? Take it the R1 wasn't
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Unless you've got a fat-ass bike like a Pan European of course... Razz Wink Smile


I've been told size is important Smile

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom_B1H wrote:
At 18 shouldn't you have been on a restricted bike? Take it the R1 wasn't


Come to think of it I was actually 19 when I had the accident. My mistake. I got my 33bhp restricted licence when I was 17 so by the time I purchased the r1 I was no longer on the restricted licence but instead a full one.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I'd like to add that when I was 18 I rode like a total knob. All of my friends rode like total knobs. We were all knobs! In fact, I was pretty much the 'captain safety' of the group despite the antics I got up to. And as for my non biking mates, I wouldn't trust any of them on bikes at that time.

If any of us had the brass balls to buy a '98 R1 (especially when it should be restricted to 33bhp), then the prediction wouldn't have been a happy one. I'm not sure that I knew any 18 year olds that could actually make rational decisions about stuff like cars and bikes. We were all to full of adrenaline and testosterone. It was all about top trumps as I recall. If we could all ride R1's and drive Lamborghinis we would have. And we would have written them all off too.

This is why you get "How can I make my 50cc bike do 100mph?" threads. I don't think any male can be classed as truly sensible until he is at least twenty years old. Which is probably why people are assuming that if you had an R1 at 18 then you rode like a bit of a dick. That is of course an assumption and we could be wrong.

I expect you obeyed every rule of the road and never did anything prattish on a bike ever! Wink
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