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PostPosted: 15:43 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: bike prices Reply with quote

as some of yo may know im currently looking around at my options for getting into biking next year when im 17. what kind of price range is there in bikes? if i pass the full test would i be better getting a 250cc and selling after two years or going straight for a bigger bike with a restictor? i want a sports bike or a supersports bike.

what kind of prices would you pay for a 125, 250 or something bigger like a 600? thanks.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

most people go for a 400 because 250 is pretty much a 125 but the 250s have more bottom end and abit higher top speed not much,

as for prices it depends on the bike, sports anything around 800-1k, commuters can be around 400-500 depends on year as well, 250cc might be abit more or less than the 125's depends on year and models again etc
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers. ill look at 400/600 bikes then. probably a few years old.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're wanting a sports, 250s and 400s aren't cheap. 250s you're looking at Hyosung GT and Kawasaki ninja, both expensive and relatively new. 400s are all old, molested and come with a high price because they are sought after. Just check the prices of some ZXR400s compared to something like a CBR600f of the same year.

At 17 the biggest deciding factor WILL be insurance costs. If you can get a £1k 600cc insured for less than £700, it will be better than a £1.5k 400cc insured for £500. Particularly as after 1 years no claims it will be drastically reduced.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO depends what you want to actually use the bike for.
Weekend plaything, commuter, posing, etc.

It also depends what sort of bike fits you best, believe it or not despite what the marketing people say, some people either don't like sport type machines or find them uncomfortable. You say you want one but it'll be hard for you to try before you buy.

If money is an issue then the running costs of a 500 (certainly tax and possibly insurance*) would be cheaper. There are some ok 500cc makes and models out there, although possibly not in the sports mould.

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PostPosted: 16:21 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks. what will probably happen is after i do my tests ill go and test ride a few at a few local garages to see whats comfy. i will use it as my main transport in my last year at 6form and at uni. so comuter but mostly play thing. what im thinking is the lower insurance will pay off against a car in the long run even if the initial bike is more.
from what ive read i rekon ill get a 600 or 500 and keep it for a few years. but from browsing local garages they all look at about £5/6000. but the 125's and smaller bikes are the same price as well. ive heard insurance is verry cheap for bikes even at 17 but is this just for 125's? thanks
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wupwup wrote:
thanks. what will probably happen is after i do my tests ill go and test ride a few at a few local garages to see whats comfy.ive heard insurance is verry cheap for bikes even at 17 but is this just for 125's? thanks


You'll be lucky to get a test ride from a dealer. For most you have to be 21, or 25.

And insurance is comparitively cheaper to cars when you take performance into account. For example at 19 I was insured on a 2002 Aprilia RSV for £600 TPFT. For a 2ltr Focus on dad's name it was about a grand.

The RSV was obviously much faster and dangerous yet was massively cheaper. Makes no sense. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol ok then. yeah i wouldnt want anything as big as a 1000 like that. so i guess the price would be around the same (smaller bike but im younger) so yeah. id be saving £400+ a year on insurance. its just if that justifies getting and expensive bike. i might have to get a 125 for the first 2 years to get a decent no claims. then after that get an unrestricted bike. as a side note how much dose it cose to have a bike restricted / unresticted? cheers
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wupwup wrote:
as a side note how much dose it cose to have a bike restricted / unresticted? cheers


Depends. If you're buying from a dealer you could haggle the restriction into the price. Otherwise either 180 quid plus fitting from FI international, or in the unlikely event you get a Triumph as your first bike, £30 plus fitting.

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i might have to get a 125 for the first 2 years to get a decent no claims


Jesus christ, a sensible 16 year old. That must be a bcf first. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe. but according to most people getting a bike is incredibly insensible (is that a word?). but yeah sensible through lack of choice. if im looking at another 400 for fitting / taking off a restrictor i might as well get a 125 to begin with. ill probs loose less than that on the resale. + i get cheaper insurance and its less of a loss if it crashes (but that wont happen)
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 19 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say to get used to bigger bikes, a GS500 or CB500.
I would choose the GS because ive got one and it seems bullet proof...also check out this.
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-07-Suzuki-Gs500-FK6-Blue-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ370272500195QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item5635f5f9e3
semi sporty..in looks
will sit at 100mph all day...dont expect much past 115..at all, but 70 is the speed limit Wink
Love mine to bits, great to get used to...when i went on my friend zx6r, it obviously packed a bit more punch but it felt alot safer to ride after the GS than it did on the GT125 i had Razz
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Came across Used Bike Guide looking for something else and remembered this thread.

UBG wrote:

KAWASAKI GPZ500 S
Bike specifications
Years : 87-05
Eng. Size : 499cc
Eng. Type : 4-str dohc twin
Output : 60bhp
Top Speed : 125mph
MPG : 55mpg
Weight : 170kg

Interesting, semi-sporty twin using half a Ninja motor. It began life as a kind of four-stroke equivalent of the LC but then settled into the role of commuter. No known vices, a favourite with the short of stature and a fair few about. Rear disc arrived in ’94 on D1 model with 17in wheels that improved stability. Neglect of oil changes can ruin cams by 20k but usually runs to 55k before camchain goes. Cracking fun, with useful fairing, a good middleweight all-rounder alongside GS500 and CB500S. It is dropped from the range for 2006 but there are thousands of used examples about.


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PostPosted: 16:31 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow thats a nice looking bike. looks great. its all about price though. cheers
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindweezy wrote:
Because 250 is pretty much a 125 but the 250s have more bottom end and abit higher top speed not much


I totally disagree, a decent 250 is great fun, mine makes around 35bhp, looks like a 600 and will out accelerate a 125 by miles, heck I can keep up with a 650 Transalp easily enough. I have kept up with a 900 hornet on some unknow Welsh road before. Should have seen the guys face drop when I said it was 250.

You have to rev the tits out of the bike to make it go anywhere fast.... however this is what makes it fun. There are a lot more roads where you can ride the bike above 10,000rmp all the time compared to say a sports 600. These roads are generally more twisty and in more scenic places.

I enjoy a lot more roads on my 250 than I did on my 125 and you can really feel the power difference between the two. In my view 250s are probably the most under-rated size of motorbikes.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with ds55. 250s are great Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
I agree with ds55. 250s are great Laughing


250s are rubbish Wink

Get a 250.

I had a cb250 when i first passed my test, slow but insurance was £100 and it was an RS so did 90ish mph which isn't too bad.

Got a cbr400 now insurance is up to £300 but it's worth it. It was restricted when I bought it for just £650 with MOT for 10 months. It's great a few rattles but runs perfect and you'll be happy with it. You can still get cheap 400s but a 250 will be better to start off with.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends one the 250 then because the kawa ninja's are only pushing around 90 tops and i know that 125s can do more than that
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess so, mine will touch 110 on a good day. They make them for 33bhp now so they aren't as powerful as they old ones. Still great in my view.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

dunno not passed my test so i've not had a ride of a 250 yet only a 750 and cbr600rr, going to get a old 400cbr i think for my next bike
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindweezy wrote:
dunno not passed my test so i've not had a ride of a 250 yet only a 750 and cbr600rr, going to get a old 400cbr i think for my next bike


Good choice, great bikes Smile
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

blindweezy wrote:
depends one the 250 then because the kawa ninja's are only pushing around 90 tops and i know that 125s can do more than that


Could you talk any more shit?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've never ridden before why not just do your CBT and ride a 125 for a while on Ls? You'll save a lot of money on lessons etc. and it'll feel fast enough to be fun anyway. Something like an NSR125 for a grand or an old TZR125 for £500? Probably make you a better rider in the long run than never riding then suddenly jumping on a 600. After a year or so you can do your test, only needing one or two lessons as you'll already be a competent/confident rider Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
If you've never ridden before why not just do your CBT and ride a 125 for a while on Ls? You'll save a lot of money on lessons etc. and it'll feel fast enough to be fun anyway. Something like an NSR125 for a grand or an old TZR125 for £500? Probably make you a better rider in the long run than never riding then suddenly jumping on a 600. After a year or so you can do your test, only needing one or two lessons as you'll already be a competent/confident rider Thumbs Up


yeah. think this is probably the best thing to do. where could i but a nsr 125 for a grard? only seen them or about 2 :S. and id rather not buy from a random guy or ebay because i dont know anything about bikes. so i might buy a polished up scrapheap Very Happy someone sugested straight from a dealer?
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