'NOT GUILTY' Motorists (i.e. you) face court costs

bazza · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Karma :

"New regulations set to come into force later this month will see motorists forced to cough up court costs - even if they're found not guilty or acquitted of motoring offences. "

More: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=20842
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and · World Chat Champion Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Karma :

Imyself · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Karma :

"the age old principle of 'the loser pays' has been costing the government too much money"

well well, not much of a surprise there, so pay by losing your freedom to fight back knowing that it could and probably will cost you a lengthy court battle, is the governments idea of justice..

Sign the petition... https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CostsRecovery/

LeeR · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Karma :

Done

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squally · Derestricted Danger Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Karma :

so whats going on? they are charging people before they go to court and get proven innocent?
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dodgydog · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Karma :

squally · Derestricted Danger Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Karma :

cheerz dodgydog Thumbs Up

so you end up not paying the fine but you are charged for your lawyer and the court. Thats crazy bullshit they got going on there. Confused

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MattHirst · World Chat Champion Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Karma :

No, court costs are different to paying for your solicitor/barrister/lawyer.

When you go to court there are costs (basically paying for the court room/man in funny wig). At the moment, if you loose then you have to pay these costs, but if you win then the costs are covered by the courts/tax payer.

They are proposing that regardless of whether you win your case or not, you will still have to pay the court costs. This is on top of any fees for your solicitor etc.

Although, if you, the defendant, win then all/most of the costs for the solicitor are recovered from the other side.
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EUMP · Spanner Monkey Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Karma :

So wait, if you are actually innocent and get dragged to court you still have to pay when proven? Rolling Eyes

Bad government.
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JAMSXR · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Karma :

I like the way the Government see this as a way of 'saving' money..... They might as well increase taxes to 'save' money! Rolling Eyes

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Peter3hg · Trackday Trickster Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Karma :

A bit of mis-information in here. You won't have to pay court costs at all. The change means that you will not be able to claim back your expenses, such as a solicitor or even travelling expenses to the court.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

It has been on its way for quite a while:-

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=160324

It does have a minor plus point, in that the scamera partnerships will no longer be able to use the threat of extortionate costs to bully people out of going to court.

All the best

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JAMSXR · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Karma :

I guess it could be one of those things they keep threatening us with?

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

iooi · Super Spammer Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Karma :

I think the major problem here is not Joe Public fighting back. But the plebs with masses of money. Say your average footballer.
Who is clearly gulity of the offence. Who then hire's the mega money lawer to get them off on some small point.

So these same people will carry on just the same, but the rest of us will have to stand the pain. If you break the law.

Should not take long before someone takes this to the Court of Human rights and wins......
That is Labour ever get to put it in place.
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yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

Why is that ACPO company legal...
Why does no-one care about this obvious extortion? Is it because they don't charge these costs to the 'crown'?

This does seem rather...criminal, not just immoral.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

The ACPO is the Association of Chief Police Officers. It is some police chiefs who have set up the company to both profit from it and prevent fair trials. Hardly likely to prosecute themselves.

All the best

Keith
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yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

Aye I know who they are but the courts/CPS =/= police?
But yer I understand why sort of, more exclaiming that there isn't someone in a position of power who could do something...that hasn't.
Makes me sad.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Magistrates courts are part of the scamera partnerships along with the police, and the scamera partnerships use that trick to stop people pleading innocent.

All the best

Keith
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multijoy · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Oct 2008 Karma :

willis1337 · Brolly Dolly Joined: 06 May 2009 Karma :

So going by this rule if I get falsely accused of something, go to court and the court rules I am not guilty, I have to pay the court costs? Bollocks, if that's the case I would sue whoever took me to court in the first place for the costs I am expected to pay.

If this comes into play it will only provide more work for the courts. Can't see this happening.

dodgydog · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 Sep 2009 Karma :

yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

I am finding the genetic argument rather weak, perhaps all blood relatives (immediate or more?) is going a bit far.

yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

I feel you are giving 'humans' too much credit, I don't believe this behavior can be stamped out by genetic extermination.

Also if a dog had kids then got rabies well then, I don't kill the puppies seeing as rabies isn't genetic.

Sure kill the actual scum though, or just lock them up and throw away the key.