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 Posted: 18:40 - 26 Oct 2009 Post subject: Reflective tape |
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Does anyone know why the police get pissy about reflective tape on the rims or any kinds of stickers?
What law ommits bikes or any other vehicle from using reflective tape?
My friend had a line running through the front of his moped in blue in reflective tape- the police got really pissy about it - I don't really understand why, anyone know? ____________________ -Yamaha DT 125cc RE 2007 (right) >> Decal facelift
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 Posted: 19:24 - 26 Oct 2009 Post subject: Re: Reflective tape |
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Good, you'll save your self a fashion faux pas .
I suspect the way the rest of the 'ped and it's rider looks/acts may have some bearing on it too. |
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Highway code, Rule 87:
| Quote: | Riding in the dark. Wear reflective clothing or strips to improve your visibility in the dark. These reflect light from the headlamps of other vehicles, making you visible from a longer distance. |
If the police were to get pissy about you fitting reflective strips, just agree with them then carry on, I con't think of anything that would make it illegal (they can hardly say your moped is trying to impersonate a police vehicle). They are just trying to make themselves feel important by intimidating a 16 year old because they know anyone else would laugh at them.
If they ever got as far as putting something on paper, you could then take it along to the police station and ask the duty sergeant to explain exactly what regulation you've contravened. If that gets you nowhere, give the sun newspaper a bell, they might be having a quiet day and they love shit like that. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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haha the sun newspaper also ive got white and blue rim tape on mine never been pulled over but i have a mate who has been pulled over for it and they made him take it off, but the day after he went to the police station and complained. |
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 Posted: 21:46 - 26 Oct 2009 Post subject: Re: Reflective tape |
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Be interesting if you could find it.
People with blue lights or things that look like blue lights annoy me as I find it means you get used to seeing 'blue' in your mirrors and can ignore it when it really is!
However, the last time the issue came up, I believe I apologised as when some rules were produced, they showed my beliefs to be wrong .
Oh and Flipsta, if you mean your DT, a) not, it's not a motocross bike, b) it has tyres in 21 front and 18 rear. Just the same as some police dirt bikes, such as the DRZ400. However, not really an issue at night when all you can see is a blue light in your mirrors or similar. |
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| nixon wrote: | Here we go from the full The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Part 7, Schedule 21 (relating to regulation 18+19) = "REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OBLIGATORY FRONT RETROREFLECTORS AND TO OPTIONAL FRONT RETRO REFLECTORS"
so in answer to your question:
Under Schedule 12, point 7 of The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 any retroreflective marker displayed to the front of a vehicle must be of one single solid colour stated as "white"
any deviation from this is therefore illegal unless valid exemptions exist.  |
Therefore I can apply white tape to the front of my bike, sounds good. ____________________ -Yamaha DT 125cc RE 2007 (right) >> Decal facelift
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yep, white front, orange to side, red to rear same as any normal lights
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if you really want blue just make sure its not retroreflective  |
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 Posted: 22:39 - 26 Oct 2009 Post subject: Re: Reflective tape |
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| G wrote: | Be interesting if you could find it.
People with blue lights or things that look like blue lights annoy me as I find it means you get used to seeing 'blue' in your mirrors and can ignore it when it really is!
However, the last time the issue came up, I believe I apologised as when some rules were produced, they showed my beliefs to be wrong  .
Oh and Flipsta, if you mean your DT, a) not, it's not a motocross bike, b) it has tyres in 21 front and 18 rear. Just the same as some police dirt bikes, such as the DRZ400. However, not really an issue at night when all you can see is a blue light in your mirrors or similar. |
So far i have found Section 16 from the The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 part II
| Quote: | Restrictions on fitting blue warning beacons, special warning lamps and similar devices
16. No vehicle, other than an emergency vehicle, shall be fitted with-
(a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
(b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
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I suppose it would be left open to interpretation, as schedule 21 only applies to retro reflective material.
there may be a definitave answer in there somewhere but its quite heavy reading for this time of night lol
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| nixon wrote: | Here we go from the full The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Part 7, Schedule 21 (relating to regulation 18+19) = "REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OBLIGATORY FRONT RETROREFLECTORS AND TO OPTIONAL FRONT RETRO REFLECTORS"
so in answer to your question:
| Quote: | why the police get pissy about reflective tape |
Under Schedule 12, point 7 of The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 any retroreflective marker displayed to the front of a vehicle must be of one single solid colour stated as "white"
any deviation from this is therefore illegal unless valid exemptions exist. (Still working on finding these exact exemtion clauses)  |
Taken from a previous thread on this sort of topic...
Taken from the ST1100 forum, where they know a thing or 2 about this sort of thing. Written in 2005 | Smarthound wrote: | The requirements concerning the lighting devices and retro-reflective material of all vehicles used on the public
road are contained in The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 (RVLR)...
However, this is being revised and a new European regulation (EC104) is making the following changes to the
use of retro-reflective material on some vehicles.
Retro-reflective material is material that reflects light back to its source. It does not include material that
reflects an image of a lamp (for example a piece of chrome or a mirror), or material that is not reflective but has
other properties, for example fluorescent material which glows under sunlight but does not reflect light at night.
Placement of retro-reflective material on vehicles is regulated under the RVLR. The colour of the material is
regulated whereas the shape, size and grade is generally not specified.
Still awake?
Colour: Where retro-reflective material is fitted to the vehicle for conspicuity purposes, it is treated as an
"optional retro-reflector" under RVLR. The permitted colour depends on whether the material is mounted on
the front, side or rear of a vehicle:
Rear: only red is allowed. (limited exceptions to this e.g. yellow number plates)
Side: only amber (which is generally taken as including yellow)
Front: any colour is permitted except red but white is recommended.
For the side of the vehicle only, there is a caveat to the above rule. If the side of the vehicle is fitted with
retro-reflective material which is not for conspicuity purposes but is for advertising purposes, for example
a company logo, there is a variation from the above rules in that any colour is permitted. However if the retro-
reflective material is very high specification, even if it is in the shape of a logo it may still be deemed to be
mounted on the vehicle for conspicuity purposes and then it will have to be amber.
Shape and size: "Battenburg" (large blocks of colour) livery is reserved for emergency vehicles and some
other special vehicles, as explained below. It should not be mounted on any other vehicles. Other than this,
there are no restrictions on shape or size.
Emergency Vehicles: Emergency vehicles (police, county & armed services fire and NHS ambulance services)
and certain other Government vehicles have special exemptions from the colours specified above and so can
use other colours such as blue to the side. When taking advantage of this exemption the Battenburg pattern
on the side of the vehicles should be used.
The special exemptions from the RVLR are called Special Orders and they are issued by VTS6, and signed on
behalf of the Secretary of State for Transport. Other users, including privately-run fire services or ambulances,
are not permitted these colours or the battenburg pattern and must conform to RVLR as described previously.
Enquiries should be directed to VTS6 to discover if a particular organisation or body is in possession of a Special
Order. Requests from organisations who feel they have a justifiable need for special colours or livery should also
be addressed to VTS6.
So in conclusion... strictly speaking, Battenburg appears to be illegal unless you're subject to a Special Order
from the DoT!
It all looks pretty gloomy. But...
A phone call to the DoT yielded the information that EC104 only applies to the size and grade of tape used,
i.e for lorries etc, and that Battenburg on a bike is in fact ok as long as the following is done: No reflective blue
to the side! That's it. So you could have Battenburg in non-reflective blue and reflective yellow, and it would
be perfectly legal.
If you're stopped by the police they are unlikely to know exactly what the law is on retro-reflectives, but they
will start from a standpoint of "if it looks like a police vehicle it's illegal". So choose your livery wisely! |
A firm that can provide graphic kits is Bluelite Graphics. I believe the kit for the ST1100 is BAT172.
So some legal ones would be...
https://www.my-mc.com/messages/31335/50884.jpg
https://www.my-mc.com/messages/31335/68795.jpg
https://www.my-mc.com/messages/31335/46183.jpg
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 130 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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