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lnewland
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Can a bike be jump started of a car Reply with quote

Hi all, I started the bike the other morning, which it did fine however i put it into gear prior to removing it from the side stand and it cut the engine. as a result of keep trying to start it i think i have flattened the battery. The bike is currently stuck at work and i was wondering if it is possible to jump it of a car without causing any damage to the bike. in the past i have used a power pack but i seem to have lost the charger.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont really see a problem with it.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

S'always worked for me... just tell em not to step on the gas while it's hooked up to the bike...

That said, I've never had the car running when I've done it - always got whoever to kill the ignition - car batteries are usually plenty strong enough to get you going without needing the engine running.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be fine, don't worry. Why not bump start it though much less hassle.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Ive heard that running the engine can cook your reg/rec as all of a sudden there is a massive power in your system and no load. So the reg/rec takes a massive loading an promptly expires.....

Ive used a car battery plenty of times before. We used to have a car battery on a little trolley for jump starts, power drill whatever. That always worked fine an started a bike within a second or two...

Just watch the polarity tho or you will cook your fuse....
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
It will be fine, don't worry. Why not bump start it though much less hassle.



tried that and it just wouldnt go. thanks anyway
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charging voltage is the same for bikes and cars, but there's no need to run the car because a fully charged car battery will crank a bike until the starter motor cooks itself before it goes flat.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a good point there!

Try not to use the starter motor for a long period, try to give it some time to cool between starting attempts.

Of course as long as the bike is behaving it should be ok if you have just ran down the battery.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine, but don't do it with the engine running.

If the cars voltage regulator is set to charge at a slightly higher voltage than the bikes one, your bikes reg/rec will try to dump the excess voltage from the car alternator to earth. The car will be putting out a lot more amps than your bikes reg/rec was designed to cope with and you could cook it.

EDIT: And don't attach the positive directly to the cars battery positive. On modern cars there is usually a seperate "tag" to attach jump leads to. Once the bike fires up, it'll try to charge the car battery too. On some cars (peugeots for definate), charging directly onto the battery positive can kill the ECU. It'll say in the manual where to attach jump leads.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikerdudematt wrote:
i always bump start bikes so much easyer and less effort needed .


If the bike you're trying to bump uses an alternator to produce power and the battery is completely flat then it'll take much more than a little effort to start it. You could push the bike from Land's End to John o' Groats (and back again if you weren't too knackered) and it still wouldn't start.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikerdudematt wrote:
the car is 12v and most small bikes under 125's are run on 6v batterys


Very few bikes are 6V these days. Last common ones were some of the 100cc commuters such as the H100.

Trouble with bump starting modern stuff is if it is fuel injected then you are not going to get the pump to run and pressurise the system, even if the rest of the injection system gets enough power to run.

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PostPosted: 00:33 - 04 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump starting; you look like a dick in the middle of town, but it gives you a great sense of satisfaction when the engine kicks in.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 04 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 70cc scooter was once jump started by a 2litre ford van. Laughing yer, they can be.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 04 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

raffles wrote:

If the bike you're trying to bump uses an alternator to produce power and the battery is completely flat then it'll take much more than a little effort to start it. You could push the bike from Land's End to John o' Groats (and back again if you weren't too knackered) and it still wouldn't start.

Depends on the bike - newer bikes generally won't at all in my experience (even pre FI), but not had a problem with most older designs.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 04 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

try bumping a bmw r1100. not always possible. took three guys pushing and one 6'6" guy on the bike downhill at least three attempts to jump it.

i've started a bike with a car battery no problems. little xr125. (was a bit wet and didn't fancy going out in the rain
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 04 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pah, try eight for a firestorm and a lot lot more than three attempts! Ok, we were hung over.. and this was after trying to jump it from another bike and it failing.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 05 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive had success in the past jumping my gpz off of fords. Tried it recently with a pug 306 though and it killed the starter solenoid Sad
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 05 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_godfather wrote:
try bumping a bmw r1100. not always possible. took three guys pushing and one 6'6" guy on the bike downhill at least three attempts to jump it.

i've started a bike with a car battery no problems. little xr125. (was a bit wet and didn't fancy going out in the rain


Can bump my R1150Gs with no problems, it's all about getting the right technique. Wink
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