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PostPosted: 15:01 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Big drug dealers & gangsters of today? Reply with quote

Are there any like back in the day? Watched 'Blow' last night (fantastic movie) so was intrigued by reading up after on some of the characters, especially Escobar. Pretty amazing empire he had.

Don't hear about anything like that today, maybe a local dealer or two but that's about it. Has it really become that hard to smuggle drugs nowadays? Back then in the 70s it looked pretty simple.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Suspect far more are being smuggled now than then, but probably through lots of small operations. The bigger the operation the more likely it is to draw attention to itself.

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PostPosted: 15:18 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

With keith on this one, according to an article I read somewhere recently, there are around 300 Mr Bigs when it comes to importing drugs into the UK. So can only imagine it would be the same in other countries.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is esocobar ran an empire the likes of which were never seen before, and I'd be surprised if there was any one handling such an operation of such scale single handedly (figuratively speaking) today.

There are plenty of Mr Bigs out there, but obviously they keep off the radar as much as possible, theres a lot more surveillance and ways to lock someone up than there were back in good old pablo's day. In addition a lot tie themselves in to many legitimate businesses, not so much to launder the money, but to give the impression of being legitmate, and I suppose have that extra money coming in on top of the extortion, debt collecting and drug running income.

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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, very interesting.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drug dealers of that magnitude are a thing of the past. Escobars main advantage was the corruption of the Columbian government and his 'Robin Hood' status in Medillin, which meant the locals always covered his back.

Today, at least in my area, the biggest 'gangsters' are involved in mobile phone VAT fraud. The thing is, most are to greedy to stop once they're ahead and end up flaunting their wealth.

There was/is a particular guy around here that drove around in Ferraris and helicopters, lived in a massive house a generally lived the life. He was already rich running many businesses (including drugs), but he and his buddies cottoned on to VAT fraud, got caught and went to prison. He also went to prison for shooting somebody in a 'gang war'. What was the point? Why have loads of money that you can't touch whilst in an 8x8?
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
Today, at least in my area, the biggest 'gangsters' are involved in mobile phone VAT fraud. The thing is, most are to greedy to stop once they're ahead and end up flaunting their wealth.

There was/is a particular guy around here that drove around in Ferraris and helicopters, lived in a massive house a generally lived the life. He was already rich running many businesses (including drugs), but he and his buddies cottoned on to VAT fraud, got caught and went to prison. He also went to prison for shooting somebody in a 'gang war'. What was the point? Why have loads of money that you can't touch whilst in an 8x8?


Not many people do that anymore, after (the bloke your on about) got sent down it brought everyones operation on top. He got the biggest sentence given in the UK concerning fraud.

His son still runs a lot of what they used to be into, still owns 3 cars, a £20k chain, watches. When his old man comes out they will soon be back at the top.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:



His son still runs a lot of what they used to be into, still owns 3 cars, a £20k chain, watches. When his old man comes out they will soon be back at the top.


I've actually met his son a few times, years ago. There are people that are still up to this trick, not to the same scale though. The thing I don't understand is why keep going? Once you've made a million say, why carry on and risk prosecution? Then some of them go and flaunt it about, asking for it. Obviously the chap we were talking about was already very well known before starting the fraud, so don't suppose it mattered to him whether it was flaunted or not.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
I've actually met his son a few times, years ago. There are people that are still up to this trick, not to the same scale though. The thing I don't understand is why keep going? Once you've made a million say, why carry on and risk prosecution? Then some of them go and flaunt it about, asking for it. Obviously the chap we were talking about was already very well known before starting the fraud, so don't suppose it mattered to him whether it was flaunted or not.


He was a millionaire before they even started the fraud as far as i'm aware, and when he was sentenced the treasury 'estimated' that the gang had bled £68m from the system.

You are right though, they should of quit while ahead, but when you've exceeded £50m, why not another 50?

His son has become quite the name around here now though. I actually went to Alderly Edge not long ago with his housemate in a Aston Martin Vantage, it's not bad for some.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mates dad used to be a big coke dealer, made so much money from it he started his own business. Most people would recognise the name of the company aswell but I can't say for obvious reasons. Laughing

He now lives in a very nice villa in Spain after pissing off years ago.
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