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PostPosted: 10:16 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Failed my mod 2 - Pretty unfair!! Reply with quote

Well I failed but was in a difficult situation. Riding perfectly well and while coming up to a large round about the examiner told me to take the "osidvnvosindop indsop" my earphone was incomprehensible so I shook my head, then he repeated and i heard take the A3201, as I didn't know the area I had no clue where this road was, decided to stick to the middle lane hoping this road would be 2 lanes that went left but they weren't. I was stuck with a choice, go straight onto the M4, cut left on the round about (over solid white lines) or cut right on the round about (solid white lines). Either one of those 3 decisions would have meant a fail.

Why the examiner didn't say 2nd exit on roundabout I have no idea. So within the first 3 mins of the test I knew I'd failed. Rest of the test went flawlessly not 1 minor. Gutted
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have taken the M4, now THAT would have been amusing!! Laughing Wonder what the examiner would have done about it? Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did the examiner say about it? Did you tell him that not being able to hear him put you in that no-win situation? Did the examiner agree that once you had taken the middle lane you were doomed?
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very harsh. But you'll nail it next time Cool
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You should have taken the M4, now THAT would have been amusing!! Wonder what the examiner would have done about it?


I found out about that and apparently the examiner will follow you onto the M4 and tell you to pull over in a safe place. Come over to you and make you sign his sheet to say you failed and leave you there. Happened a few times apparently. You have to wait for your instructor to come and get you.

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What did the examiner say about it? Did you tell him that not being able to hear him put you in that no-win situation? Did the examiner agree that once you had taken the middle lane you were doomed?


Well I explained but he said the road was clearly marked which it was however by the time i understood what he wanted from me we'd passed the signs. He said he thought my riding was good but had to fail me. He said that staying in that middle lane would have been a fail instantly due to the roundabout being filtered with solid white lines, I was Doomed!!! Just sod's law.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

For future reference for yourself or others. In that situation, the best bet is to make out you can't hear what they are saying on the radio.

In the case of equipment problems (such as the radio failing), they have to abandon the test. If the examiner decides to abandon the test, you don't have to pay for the retest.

From speaking to an ex examiner, if one ever offers to abandon a test following you doing something you know is dodgy, take them up on it. They aren't allowed to ignore a major fault but this can be their way of throwing you a bone if they reckon you ought to have passed.

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You should have taken the M4, now THAT would have been amusing!! Wonder what the examiner would have done about it?


In one instance I heard of a few years back where a learner went on the motorway during their test. The examiner stopped the test on the sliproad, got out of the car and walked back to the test centre. Left the trainee sat in the car by themself.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

During my test I had three failures to understand what the tester said, making one mistaken left turn and two pullovers to tell him I couldn't understand what he was saying. I still passed the test. Guess he'd had a BJ that morning.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cvntdude wrote:
Guess he'd had a BJ that morning.

Yeah i bet he did H ...... Laughing Question


You were in Bristol that day? Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had good instructors and they emphasised to me that examiners cannot fail you for not following their instructions - so if you mistake their instructions or get it wrong but have otherwise followed the road rules and not been unsafe, then technically you didn't do anything wrong. Essentially, it's a riding test, not a following instructions test.

The other good thing to keep in mind is it's always better to get a minor than a fail - it's obvious yes, but often in scenarios eg if you're being over cautious at an intersection / roundabout, sometimes it's better to be hesitant and take the minor than go and put yourself in an unsafe situation (which is an immediate fail). I've heard that anything you do which makes other traffic users use their brakes is often an unsafe manoeuvre.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that.

The day I took my module two was a bit of a joke as well tbh! The examiner was in the car, not a problem, but the first two guys who went before me, had no radio contact to the examiner! He told them to ride to point A, and then to point B, and then back to the test centre. After their rather quick ride, they had passed.

The guy who went before me though had radio contact but didnt go the right way and cut across lanes on a roundabout etc. He failed for this but was told that if he had rode it safely but going the wrong way wouldnt have been a problem.

Examiner wasnt the best though- forgot to ask me any questions, and tole me to go straight ahead at the roundabout, which actually was a junction with a big stop sign- not a roundabout Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:27 - 01 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I nearly took a wrong turn and spend about 15 seconds hovering around slowing down traffic on my test because I couldn't hear my examiner's instructions. He had a VERY strong Scottish accent which was hard to decipher over the intercoms!

Better luck next time my friend. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 02 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sound like hard luck - normally you would be able to make some move which meant while not following the examiners instruction was the 'correct' thing to do and therefore you cannot fail for it.

I also had my Mod 2 on Monday and blindly just thought about the route my instructors took me on - so when the examiners said "and I would like you to turn right at the top of the road" I put on my left indicator - luckily for me I could hear him and he clarified where he wanted me to go - one minor (for that bit anyway).

Earlier in the day the examiners had been carrying out the tests from a car - by early afternoon the wind had died down and the sun come out so back to bikes. I dont know if that put my examiner in a good mood or not, but I passed, so it made me happy*

Good luck for next time - and you'll never forget which lane leads where on that roundabout again Wink

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PostPosted: 15:13 - 02 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's ridiculous. Can't you appeal it Daf? How can you fail for mishearing a direction? Money grabbing fcukers. FFS. Confused
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 02 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaireBear88 wrote:

The guy who went before me though had radio contact but didnt go the right way and cut across lanes on a roundabout etc. He failed for this but was told that if he had rode it safely but going the wrong way wouldnt have been a problem.


I really struggle with my left and rights. I'm left handed and for some reason, my brain sometimes will not know which way is left or right, don't know why and can't explain it.
Naturally, I was really concerned about 'my little problem' when It came to doing my test Embarassed

My instructor reassured me that IF I did take a wrong turn, as long as I did it correctly and remembered my life saver, it would be acceptable.

flip wrote:
That's ridiculous. Can't you appeal it Daf? How can you fail for mishearing a direction? Money grabbing fcukers. FFS. Confused


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PostPosted: 20:20 - 02 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

flip wrote:
That's ridiculous. Can't you appeal it Daf? How can you fail for mishearing a direction? Money grabbing fcukers. FFS. Confused


Yeah I know. Really bloody annoying. The examiner in question failed every one of the guys who did it that day. Seems like a pattern emerging. To be fair though it was a dangerous position I put myself in while trying to get off the roundabout. I knew I'd failed as soon as i got into that position... didn't give a flying monkeys about the rest of the test from then on!!

Next time ill nail it
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 02 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kate t wrote:
ClaireBear88 wrote:

The guy who went before me though had radio contact but didnt go the right way and cut across lanes on a roundabout etc. He failed for this but was told that if he had rode it safely but going the wrong way wouldnt have been a problem.


I really struggle with my left and rights. I'm left handed and for some reason, my brain sometimes will not know which way is left or right, don't know why and can't explain it.
Naturally, I was really concerned about 'my little problem' when It came to doing my test Embarassed

My instructor reassured me that IF I did take a wrong turn, as long as I did it correctly and remembered my life saver, it would be acceptable.

flip wrote:
That's ridiculous. Can't you appeal it Daf? How can you fail for mishearing a direction? Money grabbing fcukers. FFS. Confused


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The riding school bike I did my test on had L and R written on the mirrors (and 'indi' in tippex on the dials) Smile

Bad luck dude, sounds like you were in a bit of shite situation.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlucky, book the re-test and nail it.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you have not carried on around the roundabout and then gone for it a second time?

Either way, perhaps you could have stayed put and kept shaking your head to let them know the intercom was naffed, maybe he'd have changed his mind....

I cut across a lane on a roundabout in my test, in fact now that I think about it, it was pretty much exactly the same scenario, I was in thrid lane on roundabout and needed to get out so I cut across into the second lane and then off the roundabout. He gave me a minor for that because there was no traffic, however, he said if there had been traffic I'd have failed, so I was lucky in that respect.

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always been under the impression when taking a test on a bike or in the car- what will happen is pretty much out of your control! As long as you have a good ride, theres nothing you can do about the others on the road and some examiners seem a bit harsh towards these other 'variables', such as the radio lol Plus theres that rumour that they are only supposed to pass a certain amount anyway ? Wink

My other half failed his module 2 the first time for being too hesitant on a couple of roundabouts, trouble was if he had gone it might have wrong as well lol Just need that nearly perfect run lol

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PostPosted: 19:54 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clairebear I heard that about the pass percentage too. Apparently it all depends on the mood of the examiner and as my instructor said, whether he got laid the night before lol.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanHam wrote:
Apparently it all depends on the mood of the examiner and as my instructor said, whether he got laid the night before lol.


lol so true Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

swampy wrote:

The riding school bike I did my test on had L and R written on the mirrors (and 'indi' in tippex on the dials) Smile


Ssshhh.... I had L and R on the back of my gloves too... Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Failed my mod 2 - Pretty unfair!! Reply with quote

dafyddjohndavies wrote:
Well I failed but was in a difficult situation. Riding perfectly well and while coming up to a large round about the examiner told me to take the "osidvnvosindop indsop" my earphone was incomprehensible so I shook my head, then he repeated and i heard take the A3201,


When I read that I was half expecting a Welsh-English translation. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

getting your rights and lefts mixed up is really common, its a dyslexic trait , so if anyone asks you have dyslexia . Cool

feel sorry for you that you failed, on my CBT i was bad enough, i didnt really know the area of city i was riding in, so i was always going the wrong way, strangely after putting a compass on my bike im much better, as i get a better over view of which way im heading, but in town doing lefts and rights i get all turned round, put me on a hill with a map, and im better than GPS , go figure Rolling Eyes

thats the biggest thing im dreading about my mod 2 , directions and going the right way as its quite a long ride, hope i get a nice examiner that is kind in the navigation department
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