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PostPosted: 08:58 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Articulation...Articulate... Reply with quote

–adjective

1. uttered clearly in distinct syllables.

2. capable of speech; not speechless.

3. using language easily and fluently; having facility with words: an articulate speaker.

4. expressed, formulated, or presented with clarity and effectiveness: an articulate thought.

5. made clear, distinct, and precise in relation to other parts: an articulate form; an articulate shape; an articulate area.

6. (of ideas, form, etc.) having a meaningful relation to other parts: an articulate image.

7. having parts or distinct areas organized into a coherent or meaningful whole; unified: an articulate system of philosophy.

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So the question is...

Does anyone else have a problem with being Articulate with regards to speaking or thought ?...

Example is I sometimes have an issue getting across what I mean or am trying to say and I come across as aggresive or a numpty as I struggle to come up with the right words or the right sequence of words, sometimes my brain freezes and I go off on a tangent with no regards to the actual point that was trying to be made or I completely forget what I was on about in the first place.

It's like I can see the words but I'm looking through a hazy curtain and it's stopping me from retrieving the right one.

I was just wondering if there are any other suffers on here or anyone that could offer some helpfull hints or tips ?...
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your not alone, sometimes i have the same problem as you in regards to coming across aggresive. I dont mean too, but i struggle to get what i mean across, which frustrates me. And most annoying is when i have a complete brain fart all together and i cant form a sentance and cant get the words out. But usually im fine. I just stop, compose myself and try again.

Doesnt always work though, and i just give up on saying a sentance and move on Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some see being articulate as using words or language that most have to use a dictionary to find the meaning. Where as being really articulate, is to make yourself understood within the group you are communicating with. There is no use using words like masticate, if those you are talking to think you are wanking, but in the same way you wouldn't say something like, had a gob full while talking, if you were talking in official surroundings.

Most people get their meaning across, even if it is spult rung, as the person who corrects the spelling must have understood what was being said to correct it. I mean, you wouldn't go around correct peoples pronunciation all the time would you?

So don't worry about it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my gf's dad drives a talking lorry cos he says its articulated!
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostboy wrote:
I think my gf's dad drives a talking lorry cos he says its articulated!
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That needs a neg rating it is so bad but a plus rating because it is so bad it is funny. I think we need just a 'Lostboy' rating, just to cover the " it is so bad it is funny" ratings.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can be extremely articulate in both Skudd's insightful way (being understood within the group you are talking with) and in the literal way of using long words and fairly complex sentence structure, on here most of the time, and in a real scenario sometimes.


But if I get stuck, I just quite literally change my entire face to represent a deformed badger's, which usually garners a laugh from people and thus bypasses my previous failing of finding the right words with which to articulate my thoughts.

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PostPosted: 11:33 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have trouble remembering the words I want to use, I'll be chatting away and I'll go to say something but by the time I get to the end I'll have forgotten the word I wanted and will have to substitute it for something much less effective and meaningful

Oddly enough, I never forget the word that describes not being able to put your finger on a word you want to use: Lethologica.

Atleast I can use the right word to explain why what I just said sounded a bit crap.

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to comedy quizzes on radio 4 might help? Things like Just a Minute, The News Quiz and I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue.

Also read more and more widely. It will increase your vocabulary.

If you don't know a word, describe what you mean in more detail using other words, don't just use a different word that isn't quite right.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Where as being really articulate, is to make yourself understood within the group you are communicating with.


So all the time I've been talking down to thickos, I've actually been articulate?

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Also read more and more widely. It will increase your vocabulary.


Not a bad idea that, I do actually read a lot but the 200 plus books I have tbh cover only about five subjects...

Only problem is unless a book grabs me within the first two chapters I very rarely finish it...
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:

So all the time I've been talking down to thickos, I've actually been articulate?


Pretty much. Like in my line of work. You start at the top and work it down until you see signs of comprehension.

Someone who understands will be more offended by you talking down to them than someone who doesn't understand having something go over their head as long as they leave with an understanding that the matter is in hand.

"Your dog has atrial fibrullation."

*Blank look*

"That's where the electrical impulse controlling the top two chambers of the heart isn't firing properly making them flutter rather than contract."

*Blank look*

"So part of the heart isn't contracting properly."

*Blank look*

"She has a heart problem."

*Blank look*

"That's a nasty cough. It's in her chest. Come back and see me in a week."

"Oh, right"

"This drug alters the way the heart conducts electrical impulses"

*Blank look*

"It makes it easier for the heart muscle to contract properly."

*Blank look*

"They are heart tablets"

*Blank look*

"Give her half a tablet twice daily and come and see me in a week."

*Blank look*

"Never mind, We'll use different ones. Give one a day, come back the day you run out."

"Ok. So does she have a chill then?"

"Yes. That's right, these tablets should make her better."
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Listening to comedy quizzes on radio 4 might help? Things like Just a Minute, The News Quiz and I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue.

Also read more and more widely. It will increase your vocabulary.

If you don't know a word, describe what you mean in more detail using other words, don't just use a different word that isn't quite right.


I don't think it's a case of the vocabulary not being wide enough, its more an issue with being able to recall what vocabulary you do have when required.

Perhaps the trouble is having to wide a vocabulary, you know what words you're going to use but you try and think of something that would be apt and descriptive and you just end up forgetting the original point.

'Die qual der wahl,' a torture of choice. My vocabulary is wide enough, I just can't remember most of it when I need it.

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PostPosted: 13:59 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
I don't think it's a case of the vocabulary not being wide enough, its more an issue with being able to recall what vocabulary you do have when required.

Perhaps the trouble is having to wide a vocabulary, you know what words you're going to use but you try and think of something that would be apt and descriptive and you just end up forgetting the original point.

'Die qual der wahl,' a torture of choice. My vocabulary is wide enough, I just can't remember most of it when I need it.

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Yep, that's pretty much it...
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Pretty much. Like in my line of work. You start at the top and work it down until you see signs of comprehension.

Someone who understands will be more offended by you talking down to them than someone who doesn't understand having something go over their head as long as they leave with an understanding that the matter is in hand.

"Your dog has atrial fibrullation."

*Blank look*

"That's where the electrical impulse controlling the top two chambers of the heart isn't firing properly making them flutter rather than contract."

*Blank look*

"So part of the heart isn't contracting properly."

*Blank look*

"She has a heart problem."

*Blank look*

"That's a nasty cough. It's in her chest. Come back and see me in a week."

"Oh, right"

"This drug alters the way the heart conducts electrical impulses"

*Blank look*

"It makes it easier for the heart muscle to contract properly."

*Blank look*

"They are heart tablets"



Surely no-one needs you to go past this point? Even clinically diagnosed shit-for-brains know what a heart is.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Articulation...Articulate... Reply with quote

NSR-AD wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with being Articulate with regards to speaking or thought ?


Yes.

I noticed it more when I moved to a 'posh' area and was surrounded by solicitors, teachers, anaesthetists and the like. I was working in a bar and interacted with these people on a daily basis and really felt like a fish out of water. A bloke called Fast Eddie used to do cross words at the bar and whenever he asked me for help I gave him the blank look that Stinkwheel seems to know so well. I told him I had no idea how to do crosswords and he taught me the way to think to solve a crossword which helped my vocabulary and woke my brain up a little. I ended up spending Sunday mornings sipping cappuccinos, reading newspapers (papers not tabloids Laughing) and doing the G2 crosswords on a Sunday morning. A far cry from hangovers from Rock clubs and pills that my Sunday mornings used to be.

Once I got to fond of beer and spent more time with 'working/lower class' people again I stopped reading the papers, doing the crosswords and became stupid again. In fact I'm more stupid/ignorant than I was before. I have no desire to learn.

I have gotten stupider. Laughing Well, like they say, you can't polish a turd.

Erm, what was the question?.. Oh yes, reading and crosswords help.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Skudd to a large extent. I try to use words that are understandable by as many people as possible. The other reason for this, is any words that arent ordinary, will mean slightly different things to different people, and you cant define your terms all the time.

I think Stink has a point though, that if you talk baby talk at people they probably don't like being talked down to. I may change a bit in light of that.

Sometimes, its clearer to express yourself with longer sentences and longer words, if people can be bothered to understand what you say. If you try to dumb down too much, you lose content.

For me, the two newspapers which have perfectly written words, are the Sun, and the Economist.

Admittedly, the Sun keeps it pretty simple, but its like comprehensible poetry, perfectly formed.

While the economist, deals with complex ideas, yet manages to make all articles understandable with no prior knowledge, yet be at a high level. Most journalists know very little about what they are talking about, but with the economist, articles are written by experts in their field. However, they are always written with wit and flair.

I'd suggest going to www.economist.com, if you want to get better at expressing ideas with words.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:

Surely no-one needs you to go past this point? Even clinically diagnosed shit-for-brains know what a heart is.


When I was working at the PDSA just before i qualified, I had to draw someone a picture of what half a tablet looked like on more than one occasion.

In fact I once had to draw someone a picture something like this:
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 03 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Doug97 wrote:

Surely no-one needs you to go past this point? Even clinically diagnosed shit-for-brains know what a heart is.


When I was working at the PDSA just before i qualified, I had to draw someone a picture of what half a tablet looked like on more than one occasion.

In fact I once had to draw someone a picture something like this:


AAHH now I know where I knew you from. Dogs doing great now. Thumbs Up
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