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smegballs
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Defiance Reply with quote

Would you rather die for your ideals or comply with an overwhelming force and live when it means sacrificing the things you stand for?

I always used to be of the opinion that why didn't jewish holocaust victims claim they werent jewish to escape being killed etc etc


After a set of dreams I've had recently (I'll post details if anyones interested) I think I am convinced otherwise. I now think it is far preferable to die for your ideals that it is to submit.

EDIT: Now I'm more of the opinion of "I'm jewish motherfucker* come and get it... *Cocks Rifle*"


* Insert 30's/40's cuss here


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PostPosted: 00:47 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Drugs again ... !!! .... space cadet ....!! Laughing

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Why is it all about the drugs!! Laughing Laughing

Nah these were proper sleepy night night dreams, the proper kind!
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Defiance Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
I always used to be of the opinion that why didn't jewish holocaust victims claim they werent jewish to escape being killed


What. The. Fcuk?

Did you also think it was a stroke of genius when the words "I'm Brian and so's my wife" were called out in the film "the life of Brian"?
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm not sure it would have worked to be quite honest....

But if someone is rounding up all the jews in the local neighborhood, there must surely be a temptation to say "Jews, what Jews.... I haven't seen any Jews....."

Perhaps a better example would be say when romans went executing christians, as a minority movement it surely would have been easy to betray your beliefs and claim/renounce your christian-ness...
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
But if someone is rounding up all the jews in the local neighborhood, there must surely be a temptation to say "Jews, what Jews.... I haven't seen any Jews....."


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing That's ace!

Apart from family is anything actually worth dying for? I'm hard to pushed to find something that is tbh.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
Well I'm not sure it would have worked to be quite honest....

But if someone is rounding up all the jews in the local neighborhood, there must surely be a temptation to say "Jews, what Jews.... I haven't seen any Jews....."

Perhaps a better example would be say when romans went executing christians, as a minority movement it surely would have been easy to betray your beliefs and claim/renounce your christian-ness...


I'm no expert but I'd be inclined to believe the Nazis selection process was a little more sophisticated than 'are you a Jew? Yes? Right lads, bung him in the oven, ok next, are you a jew? No? You sure? Ah ok then, heil hitler, Stoke me a clipper, I'll be back for christmas'

With the romans example, back in them days they truly believed that if they denied god they would burn in the fires of hell for eternity, so death in the hopes of everlasting heaven was probably the favourable option.

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PostPosted: 07:25 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose if you're totally convinced god exists and is looking over your shoulder you'd be prepared to die for your faith.

There were cases of SS camp guards/staff killing themselves because they couldn't accept what they saw being done. That's more of an ideal I'd be prepared to die for.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Defiance Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
Would you rather die for your ideals or comply with an overwhelming force and live when it means sacrificing the things you stand for?

I always used to be of the opinion that why didn't jewish holocaust victims claim they werent jewish to escape being killed etc etc




My Grandad died in a concentration camp.





He was in the SS and fell out of one of the turrets laughing at the skinny blokes.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

fucking jews never let it lie. It's all down to that Inglorious Bastards pish.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazylogic wrote:
fucking jews never let it lie. It's all down to that Inglorious Bastards pish.


It's Basterds actually Wink ...and I thought it was quality!

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PostPosted: 11:50 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't comment on the religious aspect but when I was living in spain I had a coked up irishman point a gun in my face late one night in front of my missus following a nasty argument starting with him slating the English. I used to rent a room from him, he was also on the run.

I was your typical 18 year old essex boy and had only been with her for about three weeks. There was no way I was backing down and "losing face", then he pulls a gun out and points it straight at my face, she screamed a bit.

By this point I thought "in for a penny"....

So I told him to shoot me and called him a bog irish cunt.

It all ended with her going home and me and him having a beer and a few lines, mental!

I moved out the next morning, though I did end up working for him as a minder for a bit.

I dare say that the male pride which wouldn't let me shut my mouth would rear its head up again in the same situation. Don't get me wrong if I was on my own I would think twice or perhaps thrice, but in front of my missus or people I know..........

Stupidity stops me acting in what I see to be an inferior way.

So yeah 80% certain I would die for my principles.

Pointless though because nobody actually gives a shit.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
So yeah 80% certain I would die for my principles.


Don't see how that was your principles, just your ego.

As for me, the only things I would die for are my two kids and partner, and I would do absolutely anything to avoid their suffering.

Other than that, I'd do anything to stay alive.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
So yeah 80% certain I would die for my principles.


Don't see how that was your principles, just your ego.


Yeah I know, thats why I said 80% sure and not certain, if I was arguing on a point of principle then my ego probably would not let me back down.

And I didn't back down from the irishman on a point of principle.

So thats why I reckon I would.

HTH.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to say yes but because I got kids will say no, my survival for them is tountamount unless it was a choice between me or the kids then I would place my head on the chopping block and die knowing my death was honourable.
But for all you out there who would then good on yer!
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wit the Jew thing, the Nazi's killed more than just Jews.

Basically anyone who looked/sounded/was reported to be a minority.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jews are a racial group so by racial characteristics they could be identified as well as being grassed up by locals for financial reward/hatred or by other jews seeking better treatment (Kapo,s).
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