Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Brighter headlight

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:42 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Brighter headlight Reply with quote

Hey,

On my 1993 GS500 the headlight is very VERY dim at night.
Full beam is about as good as sidelight, and main light is a candle..

Whats the options for installing brighter lights with minor modding as I have an aftermarket fairing, meaning twin headlights = no no Sad

Just the standard round headlight...any ideas guys?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Raffles
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:48 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bulb is installed at present?
____________________
A good loser will always be a loser.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:05 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably one from 1935...
i will whip the cover off and take it out.
Basically im going to be using it, dont really want to have to take that fairing off, to put it back on, to take off again after i get the bulb etc.

I will try whipping it off, but it is very closed in with that fairing.
Any basic bright bulb that will 100% fit?

Sorry, i just figure the least work to get it on the road the better... personally i would like bulbs like this
https://dr650.zenseeker.net/Conspicuity/HeadlightCompare.jpg
Currently mine is worse than the one on the right!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

salty21
World Chat Champion



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:08 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

h.i.d's, this time of year it's the best mod you can do, absolutely love mine Thumbs Up

the power consumption is less than a normal bulb aswell Thumbs Up
____________________
04 NSR 125(sold) Sad ---- 03 CBR 600rr(sold)Sad Smile ----90 pan euro ST1100 'Shocked' ----02 CG 125 Smile
94 CB400 Super Four ---- 2000 VTR SP1 (sold) ---- 08 ninja p8f(sold, meh) ----05 CBR600rr Smile
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:13 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that a simple conversion?
Basically will get a decent photo of the SHOCKING wiring on my bike.

As long as it isnt terribly difficult will HID them!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

LeeR
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:26 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The quickest and cheapest option is to fit a Halfords H4 Extreme Brilliance bulb (upto 90% brighter) @ £19.99 currently on offer BOGOF so you'll get a spare. Thumbs Up

Don't buy the motorbike one, it's not on offer and is the same bulb.
____________________
My claim to fame: Austin Vince nicked my pen...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:11 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

if that will definitely fit standard...then im VERY happy!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

CptBlack
Trackday Trickster



Joined: 06 Dec 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
The quickest and cheapest option is to fit a Halfords H4 Extreme Brilliance bulb (upto 90% brighter) @ £19.99 currently on offer BOGOF so you'll get a spare. Thumbs Up

Don't buy the motorbike one, it's not on offer and is the same bulb.


I think I might nip over in the morning and pick one up. I've looked in my manual, it only says 12V 35/35W as the spec, nothing about a H4 fitting. Does anyone know it definitely wont work or will pop (Hyosung Cruise II - 125cc)

If not, I'll try it and let you know. I really need some extra light on the roads at the mo!

Cheers
Chris
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:02 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CptBlack wrote:

I think I might nip over in the morning and pick one up. I've looked in my manual, it only says 12V 35/35W as the spec, nothing about a H4 fitting. Does anyone know it definitely wont work or will pop (Hyosung Cruise II - 125cc)


They won't work in your bike. You have a tungsten fillament bulb of a totally different type. They won't pop but they could well melt your wiring.

padwaxk88 wrote:
On my 1993 GS500 the headlight is very VERY dim at night.
Full beam is about as good as sidelight, and main light is a candle..

Whats the options for installing brighter lights with minor modding as I have an aftermarket fairing, meaning twin headlights = no no Sad

Just the standard round headlight...any ideas guys?


I wonder if there is something wrong with the headlight or its wiring? As far as I know a GS500 takes a standard H4 halogen bulb which ought to make it as bright as a single car headlamp. Whilst not absolutely amazing, a standard, round headlamp like that ought to be at least adequate. It's the same as is fitted to the majority of motorcycles.

Your description leads me to suspect everything is not as it should be. As such, fitting a super-duper mega-bulb may not work as well as you'd hope.

I'd be checking the bulb is intact and that all the contacts are good and clean. Maybe also worth checking the battery voltage? Also check the reflector is rust free and there isn't a load of dirt on the inside of the lens. Also check the switches and the relay (if fitted) and make sure they headlight has a good earth connection.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

CptBlack
Trackday Trickster



Joined: 06 Dec 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:07 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
CptBlack wrote:

I think I might nip over in the morning and pick one up. I've looked in my manual, it only says 12V 35/35W as the spec, nothing about a H4 fitting. Does anyone know it definitely wont work or will pop (Hyosung Cruise II - 125cc)


They won't work in your bike. You have a tungsten fillament bulb of a totally different type. They won't pop but they could well melt your wiring.


Cheers for the heads up - will keep looking.
Chris
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:13 - 15 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
CptBlack wrote:

I think I might nip over in the morning and pick one up. I've looked in my manual, it only says 12V 35/35W as the spec, nothing about a H4 fitting. Does anyone know it definitely wont work or will pop (Hyosung Cruise II - 125cc)


They won't work in your bike. You have a tungsten fillament bulb of a totally different type. They won't pop but they could well melt your wiring.

padwaxk88 wrote:
On my 1993 GS500 the headlight is very VERY dim at night.
Full beam is about as good as sidelight, and main light is a candle..

Whats the options for installing brighter lights with minor modding as I have an aftermarket fairing, meaning twin headlights = no no Sad

Just the standard round headlight...any ideas guys?


I wonder if there is something wrong with the headlight or its wiring? As far as I know a GS500 takes a standard H4 halogen bulb which ought to make it as bright as a single car headlamp. Whilst not absolutely amazing, a standard, round headlamp like that ought to be at least adequate. It's the same as is fitted to the majority of motorcycles.

Your description leads me to suspect everything is not as it should be. As such, fitting a super-duper mega-bulb may not work as well as you'd hope.

I'd be checking the bulb is intact and that all the contacts are good and clean. Maybe also worth checking the battery voltage? Also check the reflector is rust free and there isn't a load of dirt on the inside of the lens. Also check the switches and the relay (if fitted) and make sure they headlight has a good earth connection.


Cheers stinkwheel,

Well the wiring is a total mess but its definitely a clean connection.
All the switches work fine, the lens is pretty much spot on.
The thing is the bulb looks quite old.. you know you see a new one then look at this one, its looking VERY tired.

Im up for trying a new bulb, this one does seem very dim for what it should be, especially at night. Even on full beam i cant see too far ahead, where as on my old Hyosung GT125 it was very very clear, same commute, same darkness/roads and I really lack visibility.

Worth trying a bulb, i mean even if i go buy it, fit it and its still the same, it will then urge me into checking everything over.
Battery should be fine, its pretty new, mid November, bikes started every 2 or 3 days and ridden hard for about 20 mins..obviously not ideal, but in this weather i prefer the car...having a cracked windscreen on the other hand makes that difficult..hence needed a headlight Smile
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Raffles
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 06:58 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
CptBlack wrote:

I think I might nip over in the morning and pick one up. I've looked in my manual, it only says 12V 35/35W as the spec, nothing about a H4 fitting. Does anyone know it definitely wont work or will pop (Hyosung Cruise II - 125cc)


They won't work in your bike. You have a tungsten fillament bulb of a totally different type. They won't pop but they could well melt your wiring.


One of these may be the answer:-

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300350873883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Do be aware though that if you have a plastic lens or reflector this bulb could melt or distort them due to the extreme heat that it emits.
____________________
A good loser will always be a loser.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Mark65
World Chat Champion



Joined: 16 May 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 07:45 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of these may be the answer:-

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300350873883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Do be aware though that if you have a plastic lens or reflector this bulb could melt or distort them due to the extreme heat that it emits.[/quote]



Hi
I have put one of those in my YBR about 5 months ago, a lot brighter than the standard bulb, good cheap upgrade, mine was packaged by Ring about £6, very bright to look at and throws a bit more light on the road compared to the OEM bulb.

Mark
____________________
07 Yamaha YBR125, 07 Honda CG125 , 15 CBR300R (Chocolate Crank, Deaded), 16 CB500FA, 19 Honda Forza 300, 70 Suzuki SV650
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Robby
Dirty Old Man



Joined: 16 May 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:08 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

GS500 I understand has a normal looking big round chrome headlight. In all the bikes I've owned, I've always like them best. You should have no problems with it using a standard bulb.

So, possible causes:

1. The bulb needs replacing. You could buy a normal one or a special one, a normal one will be a fiver. I don't like the clever super duper 20 quid blue light headlight bulbs, they claim more light but I always just seem to get whiter light in bits, and more shadow. Yellower light is easier on the eyes at night.

2. The battery is knackered. Is the electric start having a hard time, or do some of the lights dim when you brake or indicate? Does this problem go away when you rev it?

3. Corrosion in a connector. Check the connector blocks for corrosion on the terminals, which can make a difference. I don't know if your lights wiring returns to the battery, or earths through the frame. It's worth checking any earth connections on the frame for rust.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:59 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
GS500 I understand has a normal looking big round chrome headlight. In all the bikes I've owned, I've always like them best. You should have no problems with it using a standard bulb.

So, possible causes:

1. The bulb needs replacing. You could buy a normal one or a special one, a normal one will be a fiver. I don't like the clever super duper 20 quid blue light headlight bulbs, they claim more light but I always just seem to get whiter light in bits, and more shadow. Yellower light is easier on the eyes at night.

I will definitely try a new bulb, no matter, as I can really see shit all Sad

2. The battery is knackered. Is the electric start having a hard time, or do some of the lights dim when you brake or indicate? Does this problem go away when you rev it?

Battery is under a month old and kept charged, doesnt have a problem starting electrical wise, always enough juice.


3. Corrosion in a connector. Check the connector blocks for corrosion on the terminals, which can make a difference. I don't know if your lights wiring returns to the battery, or earths through the frame. It's worth checking any earth connections on the frame for rust.

The connections are terrible in design, someone has rewired the damn thing! But im up for trying a new bulb first.
If that shows as the same will do a straight wire to where its meant to be rather than the mixed up shit at the moment.



Thats the headlight
https://www.jacaremoto.com.br/noticias/fotos/gs500e08_azul_md.jpg
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Shreddie
Spanner Monkey



Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:48 - 16 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back when I was on my GT550 and doing alot of riding in the dark, I fitted one of those Phillips xenon bulbs (possibly one of those blue vision things), the improvement over the standard headlight was fantastic.

Later, I also got a little pair of 55w spots from a car place and fitted those to my crashbars. They were wired to my main beam via a relay. Those were great and allowed me to see a great deal further. They were also handy when I came across those dickhead car drivers who think that they don't need to dip their lights for motorbikes... I never needed to give them more than a quick flash.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

serlant
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 06 Jul 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 06:09 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
The quickest and cheapest option is to fit a Halfords H4 Extreme Brilliance bulb (upto 90% brighter) @ £19.99 currently on offer BOGOF so you'll get a spare. Thumbs Up

Don't buy the motorbike one, it's not on offer and is the same bulb.

Seems good, Will it fit my 1990 XJ600? its got a H4 12V 60/55w, are all H4's interchangable?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Raffles
World Chat Champion



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 07:57 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

serlant wrote:

Seems good, Will it fit my 1990 XJ600? its got a H4 12V 60/55w, are all H4's interchangable?


All H4 bulbs should be a standard size. Provided that the wattage is the same as the original bulb then there should not be any wiring issues. Go for it.
____________________
A good loser will always be a loser.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Shreddie
Spanner Monkey



Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:03 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

serlant wrote:
are all H4's interchangable?

Yes and no. A H4 of any wattage will plug straight into a H4 connector but high wattage bulbs can fry wiring and/or blow fuses. 60/55w should be fine in most bikes though. I wouldn't want to fit a higher wattage than that without a relay and auxillary wiring.

As a general rule of thumb you can gauge how high a wattage you can fit from the headlight fuse rating (as long as it's the standard fuse in there, check your manual). Multiply the amperage of the fuse by the voltage of your electrical system, Amps X Volts = Watts... For example, if you have a 5 amp fuse and your electrical system is 12v... 5x12=60 so dont fit a bulb higher that 55/60w. For twin headlight systems you need to divide the wattage by two, so if you have a fuse of 10amps and 12v electrical system... 10x12=120w... divided by two thats 60watts again so don't fit higher that a 55/60w bulb into each headlight. Just be carful if you have plastic reflectors and/or lenses because bulbs with a higher wattage than standard might put out enough heat to melt them.

Xenon bulbs have a higher light output (around 30% brighter I think) than a standard halogen bulb of the same wattage so go for Xenon wherever you can.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

serlant
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 06 Jul 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:21 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manual says Headlight is a 20A for the headlight, and i looked in the bike has a 20A, manual says 60/55w for headlight 5/21w for stop/tail light, has a 60/55 in the headlight and 2x 5/21W in the tail light.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

LeeR
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:26 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

serlant wrote:
Seems good, Will it fit my 1990 XJ600? its got a H4 12V 60/55w, are all H4's interchangable?


The Halfords bulb is a 12V 60/55W so yes it's the correct bulb for your bike, I've got two fitted to my V-Strom and they are significantly brighter than the stock bulb and the Super Brilliance (50% brighter) bulbs I replaced them with.
____________________
My claim to fame: Austin Vince nicked my pen...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

tsmith
Traffic Copper



Joined: 15 Apr 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:45 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

fit an Osram Nightbreaker and aim it up slightly. This made a massive difference on my GPZ500 (H4 bulb 55/60w)

don't aim it up too much or you will dazzle car drivers. you can get the alignment right by placing the bike on a level surface about 10m away from a door or a wall and make the adjustments whilst the bulb is on dipped and the engine is running (otherwise you will kill the battery)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Kickstart
The Oracle



Joined: 04 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:28 - 18 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreddie wrote:
60/55w should be fine in most bikes though.


Also the legal limit for anything newer than about 25 years old.

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 15 years, 157 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.37 Sec - Server Load: 1.32 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 126.8 Kb