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PostPosted: 13:19 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reg plates on the internet Reply with quote

Does anyone know why people hide their reg plates when putting pics of their vehicles online?I know its to stop them getting knicked...but how can a thief find your address just from seeing a reg plate?
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not about your address it's about cloning your bike or scooter Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

paddlesat16 wrote:
it's not about your address it's about cloning your bike or scooter Shocked


^^This.

And it does happen, quite frequently, particularly if you have an expensive/desirable bike. Not something I'd have to worry about Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

paddlesat16 wrote:
it's not about your address it's about cloning your bike or scooter Shocked


aha...i see said the blind man. Laughing
thanks for that. Thumbs Up

so if youre selling a vehicle and someone calls you and asks for the reg number to do a HPI check, they could essentially be a thieving scrote who`s going to stick your digits on a fake plate? Confused
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
paddlesat16 wrote:
it's not about your address it's about cloning your bike or scooter Shocked


aha...i see said the blind man. Laughing
thanks for that. Thumbs Up

so if youre selling a vehicle and someone calls you and asks for the reg number to do a HPI check, they could essentially be a thieving scrote who`s going to stick your digits on a fake plate? Confused


I think you can do an HPI check with just the VIN number.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

or just be riding a stolen one with your plate on it. Through all the cameras and through red lights etc. Sick
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not sure there is a real purpose. Sure it might stop someone seeing it to clone it, but then you ride around with it on display anyway for all the cloners to see.

I would probably be more concerned with people wanting the VIN number than the registration plate (fair chance that with the right contacts you could get a copy of the key from the vin number).

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was on one scooter site a few years ago and all these hardcore ped bois were bragging about their racing reeds and 185cc big bores and such. The pics of their bikes showed they were running L's on and they had their reg plates hidden. In this case I presume it was to make ID by the police harder?

Small chance I know of the police finding the sight and busting the moped in question, but it would seem imprudent to brag about how illegal your ride is while freely giving the plate to anyone interested.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
Small chance I know of the police finding the sight and busting the moped in question, but it would seem imprudent to brag about how illegal your ride is while freely giving the plate to anyone interested.


I heard that riding peds makes you imprudent, something to do with the vibrations...
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:

I heard that riding peds makes you imprudent, something to do with the vibrations...


any bike does, wearing leathers etc for long periods and sliding your balls into the tank alot or in a crash etc
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:

I heard that riding peds makes you imprudent, something to do with the vibrations...


Its not the bikes fault! It can't help but shake a little when its got 1200bhp running thru the Tortellini 185 big bore kit and thermoplastic reeds not to mention the carbon Jesus end-can.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I just can't be bothered. If my plate gets cloned, I haven't broken the law so I'm not worried.

And the chances of someone wanting a cloned plate of either of my bikes is pretty slim.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said it's meant to help stop cloning, no point though as you leave it in car parks uncovered and when you're out riding the thing. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

never arsed these days
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same reason as not giving bank sort code and account number.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Same reason as not giving bank sort code and account number.


Which are printed on every cheque you use, printed clearly on your debit card and are pretty much useless on their own except to pay you money.

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PostPosted: 15:41 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
calyx wrote:
Same reason as not giving bank sort code and account number.


Which are printed on every cheque you use, printed clearly on your debit card and are pretty much useless on their own except to pay you money.

All the best

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Yeah, I mean "no reason".
If I was to clone a bike I'd hit the streets rather than ebay.
Probably someone hid his number plate 40 years ago and everyone followed the same route without questions.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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calyx wrote:
Same reason as not giving bank sort code and account number.


Which are printed on every cheque you use, printed clearly on your debit card and are pretty much useless on their own except to pay you money.

All the best

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Yeah, I mean "no reason".
If I was to clone a bike I'd hit the streets rather than ebay.
Probably someone hid his number plate 40 years ago and everyone followed the same route without questions.


This is wrong.

If a bike thief gets hold of a bike that they need to clone, of a certain model. They are unlikey to drive around all day looking for said model of bike.
What they will do is search the internet, e-bay etc. for the said model and copy from there.

Another reason. Someone who has a bike that they cannot ride, no insurance/licence etc. If they ride around, the first police car that does a number plate check or ANPR will pull them.
If they search on internet for same model of bike, get reg, check its insured. They can clone plates and as long as they ride sensibly they are unlikely to ever get pulled as the bike will come back insured etc.

As I said before poeple involved in these scams will not likely go out looking in their local area for clonable bikes. For one its a pointless waste of time when you can find them so quickly on the net and yet may not see one of the required model when out and about.
Secoundly, they do not want to use a plate from anywhere where they frequent as if the owner of the real plate spots them this will obviously cause problems. So again internet and someone with same bike, in another part of the country woulld be way to go.
Unless of course they happem to spot the bike they need by chance while traveling on the motorway etc.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is, it makes sense to find the same make and model on the net as a) it's a lot quicker and easier, and b) you can choose one at the other end of the country. If you looked for one on the streets, then it means that it's going to be more local to you, so more chances of getting rumbled by the real owner.

That said, it's still very unlikely, but if there's 2 bikes on the net, one with it showing and one not, then the cloner will obviously go for the one he can see. That's why I shop mine out.

And yes, if you haven't done anything wrong there's nothing to fear, but, the hassle it can cause if it does happen just isn't worth it.

For example, something similar; I was once arrested for non-payment of about 200 parking fines on a car I'd sold months before. They still put me in a cell when I went down to clear it up, and told me I'd have to stay there till the court hearing the next day. Luckily the duty cop was a good one and eventually let me out after I promised I would turn up at court in the morning.

That was hassle I could have done without, I tell thee.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Driving round though means they can easily get the address and from that probably the owners name, making it easy to lie if they do get pulled up.

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand; I don't really care if someone clones my bike.
20ish years ago police phoned my dad and said

-we've found your stolen car
-no it is not stolen, it is in front of my house
-Are you sure?
-Yes I can actually see it.
-Ok thanks, this one will be razor then.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it would be an advantage to have the address, it would not be enough.

Firstly you would have to match the sex and aproximate age of the individual.

Also I don't know how many times you have been pulled by the police but they will also ask your date of birth, you full name etc.
If you are cloning plates and you get pulled you are 99.99999% fucked unlesss you are very lucky and the copper is busy/on his way to a more pressing job.
So the extra work involved in driving around hoping to find a similar vehicle, then following them, just to get part of the imformation you would need would not be worth it. Especially becuase if you follow then to an address, doesn't mean it is their address. Unless your going for a full on stake out.
Then you also have the problem of having a local plate.
So in my view, not going to happen. If you follow a bike, its to steal the bike, not clone the plate.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
On the other hand; I don't really care if someone clones my bike.
20ish years ago police phoned my dad and said

-we've found your stolen car
-no it is not stolen, it is in front of my house
-Are you sure?
-Yes I can actually see it.
-Ok thanks, this one will be razor then.
Mr. Green


Don't care if someone clones your bike?

It happened to my friend with his car, he got ticket after ticket after ticket.
Kept having to go to court to insist it wasn't him to varying degrees of success. He had to keep producing allabis for his whereabouts to try and get away with the tickets. Not to mention all the local authority parking tickets that went as far as bailifs to recover monies from him.
After 18 months, several majistrate appearences, people knocking on his door to list his possesions etc. etc. he finally got it sorted and charges written off.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
[... ] printed clearly on your debit card [...]

Do they still do this? I know that I haven't had mine printed on a debit card since about 6 years ago, I used to carry my old debit card around with me until I made the effort to remember the details!
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 05 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Not sure there is a real purpose. Sure it might stop someone seeing it to clone it, but then you ride around with it on display anyway for all the cloners to see.


I'm sure a search of bike pics or a google image search is much easier then walking around until they see a specific bike in a certain colour though.

I partially edit my plate even though I know there's a photo of it on here that someone else took and posted with it showing. I'm getting to lazy to do it though. Besides, it ruins the photo's.
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