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.Chris.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Chinese café racer Reply with quote

Wondered if anyone else saw this bike in MCN this week (not on their online edition for some reason)...

https://www.ptsmotors.com/resources/Hugger_rhs_front.JPG

It's a 400cc air/oil-cooled triple, carbed, producing about 35bhp. Designed by an Aussie apparently, and currently in use in quadbikes. The bike could be coming to the UK, priced at around £3000.

Personally I really like the spec. The looks are perhaps a bit awkward, with the tank and seat unit being a bit modern for the rest of the bike. The only stumbling block is obviously whether they can get the quality issues nailed or not.

Would anyone take the risk and buy one?
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i had £3000 lying round i think i would take a punt on one Smile be nice little commuter .be nice probably in black.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH, it does look like it will rot in 20 seconds and the fairings look like they don't fit properly and I would just buy a second hand cg Laughing and spend the other 2.5k on a holiday.
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PostPosted: 04:14 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to think if I have ever seen an uglier bike. I don't think I have.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be worth a look if it was half the price. But 3K - bugger that Shocked
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather buy a low mileage 2009 ninja250.
(I wouldn't buy either to be honest)
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
I'd rather buy a low mileage 2009 ninja250.
(I wouldn't buy either to be honest)


Are you kidding? I'd love to have the Ninja 250R, would make my day!
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it basically 3 cg engines glued together with each barrel bored out a bit?
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
Is it basically 3 cg engines glued together with each barrel bored out a bit?


Not at all. It's three shite, substandard copies of CG engines glued together with each barrel bored out a bit Wink
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nonetheless, I've always wondered what a triple would feel like to ride, like; singles, IL twins, V Twins and IL 4's ect. all have their own feel to the engine. What kind of weird firing order does a triple use and how does it make the power delivery feel?
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the front disks seems to have fallen off.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it looks ok, but when i saw it i thought streetfighter it.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go off the quality that the seat has been covered, the rest of the bike will be awful.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
Nonetheless, I've always wondered what a triple would feel like to ride, like; singles, IL twins, V Twins and IL 4's ect. all have their own feel to the engine. What kind of weird firing order does a triple use and how does it make the power delivery feel?


Like being shot in the back, in the case of the big Kwak 2T triples Laughing Like riding on a magic carpet, in the case of the K75 BMs. And like riding a race bike, in the case of a mentally tuned NS400R.

You can see the firing order of an H1 in this vid - from a Kwak museum full of beauties, including a sectioned H1 engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGew-2Cd8vQ


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PostPosted: 10:16 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
One of the front disks seems to have fallen off.
Don't worry sir, must still be rattlin about in the crate, Dwayne will go and find it and pop it on straight away, will you be paying cash or taking out our super dooper finance deal? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Re: Chinese café racer Reply with quote

I wonder how much it weighs. 140kg should be achievable and would be reasonable, sadly suspect it'll be a load higher than that.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
If you go off the quality that the seat has been covered, the rest of the bike will be awful.


I really should look at photos better Laughing

+1 very awful
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

not dissimilar to a hyo.

https://www.bikez.com/pictures/hyosung/2007/25044_0_1_2_gt250%20naked%20-%20gt250%20comet_Image%20credits%20-%20Hyosung.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw those in Shanghai, though lower cc they were about £700.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Re: Chinese café racer Reply with quote

G wrote:
I wonder how much it weighs. 140kg should be achievable and would be reasonable, sadly suspect it'll be a load higher than that.


looking at the specs sheet weight (1/2 wet) 155kg

as for the seat and build quality, that one looks very much like a prototype (almost every pic on their website is slightly different)

i'd consider one as a run around.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Re: Chinese café racer Reply with quote

155 half wet isn't too bad presuming it's reasonably accurate.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a swingarm made out of chinese steel tubing I spy? Shocked

If it was indeed 155kg or less with full fluids then it'd be interesting, but I'd never consider one without seeing a 2 or 3 year used example first.

It's a shame as if it was indeed well made and finished, that'd be a really interesting alternative to the CB/GS/ER5 commuters.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ptsmotors.com/resources/400cc+Cafe+GT+bike+specs-061009A+.pdf

is the specs sheet
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'm trying to think if I have ever seen an uglier bike. I don't think I have.


Lolz!

Didn't you have a Triumph TT600? Eh?

3 Grand could buy a lot of bike. I don't see why anyone would take a chance on that at that kind of money.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's only one reason to buy Chinese - price. Even then they're usually false economy. Anyone considering lashing out 3 grand for one of these might be interested in some brightly coloured magic beans I have for sale Wink
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