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 Posted: 19:52 - 10 Jan 2010 Post subject: bp ultimate 102 - any one tried it? |
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firstly sorry about any dodgy formatting, i'm posting from my mobile as pc's on the blink.. Just seen this ultimate 102 fuel at my local bp (forth road bridge, edinburgh) wondering if it's any good, or if people have tried it? Got a new bike last month and thought i might give it a try.. Just the once maybe as it's bloody expensive! Will cost just over £50 to fill up my k7 busa  |
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Unlikely to make any real difference unless the engine has been heavily fettled (compression bumped up, ignition advanced, timing curve fiddled with etc).
The fuel injection system MIGHT be able to do something with it but I suspect not. Might actually make it run lean.
EDIT: Anyway. Is your 'busa not fast and powerfull enough as it is running normal unleaded? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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If the Busa was seriously tuned with cams, headwork, and a full race system, and had a fully mappable ECU, then you'd get some gains from 102RON.
I also think that 102RON would be far more useful to you if you decide to turbocharge it and run a shed load of boost!  |
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very expensive mate, looking at around £2.50 per litre  |
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| PmSonic wrote: | lol, yeh only done 150miles on it so far. Mostly in crappy wet and freezing weather so its plenty quick enough on 95ron. Not sure it this 102 stuff may be cleaner or better for the engine though? |
The higher the octane rating, the slower the fuel burns (ie the flame front moves away from the spark more slowly).
In a highly tuned engine, the fuel mixture can detonate before it is supposed to, this effectively over-advances the ignition timing and your engine starts to 'pink'. It also starts to knock holes in the piston.
So, highly tuned engines need higher octane fuel to slow down the flame front and prevent pre-detonation. If your engine isn't pinking, you don't need high octane fuel.
High octane fuel tends to have a lower energy density too. So you need a larger volume of it to get the same amount of bang out. An up to date fuel injection system should be able to compensate for these differences. A carbed bike can run lean.
In short. You have a bike that has been designed and built to do three times the speed limit on normal unleaded. So yes, waste of money IMO.
Sometimes you get a few more mpg out of them on super unleaded/optimax etc. but not usually enough to make up for the incresed cost. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Depends on what the super is. Appears more to be a marketing name than anything in particular. Could often just mean a higher octane which would do nothing to help clean out your fuel system. It might refer to other additives, but which ones are worthwhile is another question and to likely we would just be relying on the petrol companies marketing departments.
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Performance Bikes did a test a couple of months back, they reckoned that, for track days, using the expensive stuff is more cost effective that buying a power commander; they got a 3 or 4 bhp increase compared to std fuel on a std gixxer thou...IIRC
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| Kickstart wrote: | Hi
Just remembered this site:-
https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/tuning/Fuel_Test_Results_Update.shtml
They did some long term tests on a few fuel. OK, probably not 100% accurate but the nearest I have seen to something independent.
Noticeable their comment that the BP 102 power noticeably dropped off when it had been in the tank for a while. 3~4% drop from keeping the fuel in the tank for a week is a 13~18hp drop for that car.
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Thats the link i posted a while back, it made for a very good read |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 80 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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