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PostPosted: 19:52 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: bp ultimate 102 - any one tried it? Reply with quote

firstly sorry about any dodgy formatting, i'm posting from my mobile as pc's on the blink.. Just seen this ultimate 102 fuel at my local bp (forth road bridge, edinburgh) wondering if it's any good, or if people have tried it? Got a new bike last month and thought i might give it a try.. Just the once maybe as it's bloody expensive! Will cost just over £50 to fill up my k7 busa Sad
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlikely to make any real difference unless the engine has been heavily fettled (compression bumped up, ignition advanced, timing curve fiddled with etc).

The fuel injection system MIGHT be able to do something with it but I suspect not. Might actually make it run lean.

EDIT: Anyway. Is your 'busa not fast and powerfull enough as it is running normal unleaded?
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

so may actually just be a waste of money then?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, yeh only done 150miles on it so far. Mostly in crappy wet and freezing weather so its plenty quick enough on 95ron. Not sure it this 102 stuff may be cleaner or better for the engine though?
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Busa was seriously tuned with cams, headwork, and a full race system, and had a fully mappable ECU, then you'd get some gains from 102RON.

I also think that 102RON would be far more useful to you if you decide to turbocharge it and run a shed load of boost! Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much extra is it per litre?

dont forget you may get slightly more mpg so might compensate slightly


for example on my nsr its false economy to put in the really shit petrol (92 ron) as it runs so much worse that although the petrol is cheaper you use much more of it and you actually end up spending more
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its 2.42 a litre... expensive!
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

very expensive mate, looking at around £2.50 per litre Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

PmSonic wrote:
lol, yeh only done 150miles on it so far. Mostly in crappy wet and freezing weather so its plenty quick enough on 95ron. Not sure it this 102 stuff may be cleaner or better for the engine though?


The higher the octane rating, the slower the fuel burns (ie the flame front moves away from the spark more slowly).

In a highly tuned engine, the fuel mixture can detonate before it is supposed to, this effectively over-advances the ignition timing and your engine starts to 'pink'. It also starts to knock holes in the piston.

So, highly tuned engines need higher octane fuel to slow down the flame front and prevent pre-detonation. If your engine isn't pinking, you don't need high octane fuel.

High octane fuel tends to have a lower energy density too. So you need a larger volume of it to get the same amount of bang out. An up to date fuel injection system should be able to compensate for these differences. A carbed bike can run lean.

In short. You have a bike that has been designed and built to do three times the speed limit on normal unleaded. So yes, waste of money IMO.

Sometimes you get a few more mpg out of them on super unleaded/optimax etc. but not usually enough to make up for the incresed cost.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
PmSonic wrote:
lol, yeh only done 150miles on it so far. Mostly in crappy wet and freezing weather so its plenty quick enough on 95ron. Not sure it this 102 stuff may be cleaner or better for the engine though?


The higher the octane rating, the slower the fuel burns (ie the flame front moves away from the spark more slowly).

In a highly tuned engine, the fuel mixture can detonate before it is supposed to, this effectively over-advances the ignition timing and your engine starts to 'pink'. It also starts to knock holes in the piston.

So, highly tuned engines need higher octane fuel to slow down the flame front and prevent pre-detonation. If your engine isn't pinking, you don't need high octane fuel.

High octane fuel tends to have a lower energy density too. So you need a larger volume of it to get the same amount of bang out. An up to date fuel injection system should be able to compensate for these differences. A carbed bike can run lean.
nicely summed up, think i'll give it a miss then.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

PmSonic wrote:
so may actually just be a waste of money then?


It will be unless your bike has a knock sensor or has been tuned. If it has been tuned to that extent it won't work on any lower octane fuel anyway so you'll know.

If it has a knock sensor it will take a couple of tanks before the ECU realises it can advance the ignition, and similarly it may run rough for a couple of tanks before it 'learns' you've gone to lower octane fuel.

Waste of time money and effort unless you're doing stock bike drag racing or something. Although 'stuper' (sic) unleaded does tend to have more detergents in it than standard petrol, and so can help on older bikes to clean out injectors and so on. But it won't make a standard bike faster in any way, beyond maybe giving it a clean internally.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

other than a yoshi exhaust system its not had any tuning done so from the comments made it'll not make any real difference.. Other than a lighter wallet
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do any bike run a knock sensor that would make use of this fuel?


I can only think of BMW's having them
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it worth putting a tank of super in my car, as its running kinda crap, would it clean it up at all ?
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would help but last I knew you would need several tanks through to let the cleaners do some work.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
Is it worth putting a tank of super in my car, as its running kinda crap, would it clean it up at all ?


Audi TT with 62l fuel tank = £150.04 of BP 102 x several tank fulls = ££££££


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PostPosted: 08:59 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found thishttps://www.whatcar.com/car-news/petrol-hits-2-42-a-litre-/219604 so if you have a porsche then give it a try.

At £11 a gallon though I expect a tank of the stuff would probably triple the value of both my bike and car so i'll give it a miss Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

boundy wrote:
Do any bike run a knock sensor that would make use of this fuel?

I can only think of BMW's having them


A few bike have had them (possibly even the mid 80s XJ650 from memory) but they are not common. However you are unlikely to gain much power just from advancing the timing a bit to take advantage of the higher octane fuel.

Upping the compression to take advantage might well give you more but then you would have issues with normal fuel. Big advantages come when you have a turbo and can run more boost.

Compression is far enough on the safe side on a 'busa that you can run a turbo with fair amount of boost without lowering the compression.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:22 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

PmSonic wrote:
wave2k wrote:
Is it worth putting a tank of super in my car, as its running kinda crap, would it clean it up at all ?


Audi TT with 62l fuel tank = £150.04 of BP 102 x several tank fulls = ££££££


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Read again, i said super, and this isnt in the Audi TT either
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave

Depends on what the super is. Appears more to be a marketing name than anything in particular. Could often just mean a higher octane which would do nothing to help clean out your fuel system. It might refer to other additives, but which ones are worthwhile is another question and to likely we would just be relying on the petrol companies marketing departments.

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PostPosted: 11:39 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Performance Bikes did a test a couple of months back, they reckoned that, for track days, using the expensive stuff is more cost effective that buying a power commander; they got a 3 or 4 bhp increase compared to std fuel on a std gixxer thou...IIRC

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PostPosted: 11:47 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Just remembered this site:-

https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/tuning/Fuel_Test_Results_Update.shtml

They did some long term tests on a few fuel. OK, probably not 100% accurate but the nearest I have seen to something independent.

Noticeable their comment that the BP 102 power noticeably dropped off when it had been in the tank for a while. 3~4% drop from keeping the fuel in the tank for a week is a 13~18hp drop for that car.

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

watched the other day on viva/dave or something like that,
They ( top gear fifth gear mythbusters could remember) took a selection of cars to a specialist, took drive wheels off vehicle and bolted on a machine, drained all petrol out and reset the ECUs then tested on each fuel, resetting the ecu each time.
Found that for the average car the higher octane didn't do diddley, but for the likes of a Subaru and another performance car I can't remember, it did make a big difference, giving something like 40-70 bhp more.
I think it was Fifth Gear who did it.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Found that for the average car the higher octane didn't do diddley, but for the likes of a Subaru and another performance car I can't remember, it did make a big difference, giving something like 40-70 bhp more.


I presume the ones that had the major gains were turbocharged.

We have a turbo car which has quite a noticeable difference in performance between normal unleaded and any higher octane fuel.

One old car we have has a "relay" (it isn't one really, just looks like one but shorts out a few wires) that you can exchange to tell the ECU to set the timing for 95 or 98 octane fuel without a cat or for 91 or 95 octane with a cat.

Having played using higher octane fuel a bit years ago when I worked in Belgium (difference was under 1p a litre, if I pulled up at the wrong pump I didn't bother to change), without swapping the "relay" it made zero difference to how the car felt and no difference at all to fuel consumption.

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PostPosted: 12:07 - 11 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Just remembered this site:-

https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/tuning/Fuel_Test_Results_Update.shtml

They did some long term tests on a few fuel. OK, probably not 100% accurate but the nearest I have seen to something independent.

Noticeable their comment that the BP 102 power noticeably dropped off when it had been in the tank for a while. 3~4% drop from keeping the fuel in the tank for a week is a 13~18hp drop for that car.

All the best

Keith


Thats the link i posted a while back, it made for a very good read
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