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The Artist
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Biggest blow to IE Reply with quote

Browser wars being hot ATM with IE, Firefox and Chrome.

I don't think you could get a bigger blow to your efforts than an entire country being told to switch browsers from IE!

https://mashable.com/2010/01/15/german-government-stop-using-internet-explorer/
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll only be very temporary:

"They may resume using Explorer after a fix is issued by Microsoft for a critical vulnerability that has been implicated in the Chinese cyberattack against Google."

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PostPosted: 22:50 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why people use IE it creates So many compatibility problems. IE 8 auto updated on my pc with out me knowing and lost compatibility resulting in me loosing days work in studio trying to figure out what happed.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

slipstream wrote:
I don't know why people use IE


Because it comes with windows PC/laptops and people assume it's the best & safest because that's the one you were given. When people suggest Firefox etc, they're usually ignored because they tend to be Microsoft/Bill Gates haters. that's why.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 16 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
It'll only be very temporary:

"They may resume using Explorer after a fix is issued by Microsoft for a critical vulnerability that has been implicated in the Chinese cyberattack against Google."

Mark


Yeh but what average user is going to switch back when they say, oh it is fixed now.
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 17 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Switching browsers in an organisation as large as the German government is a massive task.

I would expect a fix for IE to be released before an alternative browser is rolled out.

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PostPosted: 00:50 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, it can really difficult to get people to change browsers.

I put all of the work computers on firefox, deleted the IE icons and shortcuts and someone was STILL using IE.

I had to uninstall it altogether in the end.

Not as much of a fight as I had with my Dad though. Having spent several hours removing a virus from his PC, I put mozilla on. He promptly had a tantrum and refused to use it becaue he "Wasn't going to start learning how to use a new program now he had the hang of this one.".

I eventually put a shortcut to firefox on his desktop using the IE icon and named it "Internet Explorer", migrated his settings across and uninstalled IE. He'd been using it for more than a week before he twigged.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Not as much of a fight as I had with my Dad though. Having spent several hours removing a virus from his PC, I put mozilla on. He promptly had a tantrum and refused to use it becaue he "Wasn't going to start learning how to use a new program now he had the hang of this one."


I finally got my dad to agree to try it last night. Every Sunday I visit him & Mum, every Sunday I virus scan his PC, every Sunday adware is found...

I put FF on there last night and told him he'll get less crap on his computer. I wonder if he actually used it? My Dad is so clueless about computers.

"Dad, what's this new search engine you have"?
"It just appeared last week"
"Delete it then"
"It 's not doing any harm, leave it"
"Argggh, yes it is"! It's probably the reason you PC is mega slow at the minute & it's probably sending your bank details to some scammer in South Africa"
"You'd better delete it then"

FFS. My auntie has the same thing on hers, so I'll have to visit hers and sort that out. Bloody old people.

FWIW is called faster search or something, and it comes from "my tattoon" ? on facebook. Slows the PC like fcuk.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

And now France backs up Germany:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8465038.stm

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PostPosted: 18:41 - 18 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Microsoft told BBC News that IE8 was the "most secure browser on the market" and people should upgrade.


Quite a claim.

Or are they splitting hairs in that their main competition is free to download making IE essentially in a "market" of 1?

Mind you. As I recall the French government dumped microsoft altogether last year in favour of Linux. I forget how many billions of Euros they saved in the first 12 months due to not having to pay for licences and additional antivirus software.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 22 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Microsoft have released a patch Click

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 23 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

flip wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Not as much of a fight as I had with my Dad though. Having spent several hours removing a virus from his PC, I put mozilla on. He promptly had a tantrum and refused to use it becaue he "Wasn't going to start learning how to use a new program now he had the hang of this one."


I finally got my dad to agree to try it last night. Every Sunday I visit him & Mum, every Sunday I virus scan his PC, every Sunday adware is found...

I put FF on there last night and told him he'll get less crap on his computer. I wonder if he actually used it? My Dad is so clueless about computers.

"Dad, what's this new search engine you have"?
"It just appeared last week"
"Delete it then"
"It 's not doing any harm, leave it"
"Argggh, yes it is"! It's probably the reason you PC is mega slow at the minute & it's probably sending your bank details to some scammer in South Africa"
"You'd better delete it then"

FFS. My auntie has the same thing on hers, so I'll have to visit hers and sort that out. Bloody old people.

FWIW is called faster search or something, and it comes from "my tattoon" ? on facebook. Slows the PC like fcuk.


This annoys me quite a bit. Why should you waste your time helping people who can't be bothered to learn how to do it themselves? Sure spend the time teaching them but after that they're on their own.

I bet it's not as if they appreciate what you do anyway, in my experience people ignorant of computers have no idea the time it can take to fix their fuckups.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 23 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.itworld.com/security/93670/widespread-attacks-exploit-newly-patched-ie-bug

even worse

https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/microsoft-knew-ie-zero-day-flaw-september-012110

I think they are just stupid. I mean they knew about it, why not patch it? They had 4 months to do something about it but left it till the last moment now loads of people are gonna get in the sh1t.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 23 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:
This annoys me quite a bit. Why should you waste your time helping people who can't be bothered to learn how to do it themselves? Sure spend the time teaching them but after that they're on their own.

I bet it's not as if they appreciate what you do anyway, in my experience people ignorant of computers have no idea the time it can take to fix their fuckups.


I don't mind doing it for my Dad. I could teach him (he asked), I just don't trust him to keep on top off it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 24 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefox is hardly brilliant tho.

Since 3.0 it's got slower and more crap with each release. Upgraded to 3.6 and got so fcked off I went back to 2.0.0.14

I've got Opera and Chrome as standbys or IE if a site is really a pain in the arse.

Browsers are like OSes, they're all crap in one way or another, it's just what type of crapness you want to deal with.

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PostPosted: 18:03 - 24 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to take my hat off to my dad, whom I suggested to completely ditch Windows and switch to Linux, 100%. He's 56 and 'average' in terms of his ability at using computers, so we decided to trial things at first, on the premise that Windows was always there to go back to in case something didn't work out. He was also, at the time, in the middle of writing a book in Word ( Sick ) and he spent ages converting it over to OpenOffice, meticulously sorting out image positions etc. He's also been very patient and taken the time to completely unlearn Windows and relearn how to do his day to day stuff with a completely open mind. A year and a half later, he's still Windows free.

For him it's now perfect, as he himself said, "No more defragmenting, viruses or other nasty crap and my pc is a lot faster now, I can just get on with my work". He's just your average desktop user, doesn't play high end games or do anything fancy, apart from a couple of scientific apps that have to run in Windows (so we use a virtual machine for that, because they won't run under Wine, and he finds that easy enough). For everything else, there's an equivalent application on Linux for him, and he's really benefited from the change. So have I, too, as after setting it all up for him, I rarely ever need to provide support or fix things.

My mum on the other hand... complains about how slow her machine is, but is completely unwilling to even hear of or look at anything that isn't Windows, let alone try it, as it's "what she knows, and doesn't want to change", but from what she does on the PC, she could easily switch. Oh well, her choice.

My sister used Linux for a while, got on well with it, but then she bought a MacBook as she had money to burn, and she's happy with that.

BTW, I realise that switching to an alternative OS is definitely not an option for everyone - I'm just telling the story of my experience of a few different kinds of computer user.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 24 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my Dad is still using firefox. That surprised me. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ho hum.

Germany is now telling people to not use Firefox due to a vulnerability.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8580716.stm

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:29 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Ho hum.

Germany is now telling people to not use Firefox due to a vulnerability.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8580716.stm

All the best

Keith


And now we have the patched update, released almost immediately after, haha!
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay, upper to lower leg joint moving swiftly Smile
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