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Stowelly
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: 2 stroke oil Reply with quote

probably a stupid question, but im wondering if it is always supposed to be red?

as i bought some from texico at the weekend and went to pour it in it turned out to be yellow. and im not 100% on whether ive got the right stuff, or if this is actually engine oil for 2 stroke bikes?

https://www.uztexaco.com/cgi-bin/page1.cgi?p_lang=e&str=3&uprod=1120730642&upprod=1120730809&mtime=1120730898

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PostPosted: 09:28 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad uses the same Texaco oil, it used to be blue but for some reason as you have mentioned it is now yellow (engine oil colour). He wrote to the oil manufacturer to question what is going but has not received a reply.

As you have some as well as us it's unlikely to be a bad batch and it would seem they are just not putting the dye in the oil to save money.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool , didnt risk putting it in, but guess i safely can now. thanks a lot
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my dad put it in his scooter and rode it to work this morning, I haven't received a phone call so I can safely assume, it was fine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent, will check back here this evening just before i fill mine up Wink cheers
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Re: 2 stroke oil Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:
probably a stupid question, but im wondering if it is always supposed to be red?


Mine is green.

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PostPosted: 12:04 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are all different colours of 2T oil. Golden, yellowish, deep red, mid red, pinkish, blue, green, torquoise. Probably others too. Long as the bike keeps going, I never worry Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you can put in but any 2stroke oil container that mentions lawn mowers on the back avoid like the plague. I'm not saying anything catastrophic will happen but you're using a very poor oil in extreme conditions. (i.e an engine)
Better off paying the extra and buying a quality oil.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
Yes you can put in but any 2stroke oil container that mentions lawn mowers on the back avoid like the plague. I'm not saying anything catastrophic will happen but you're using a very poor oil in extreme conditions. (i.e an engine)


Rubbish. If it says Jaso FB on the back of the bottle, I'd use it. Even if it said 'Lawn Mower 2 Stroke Oil' on the front, if it has that code on the back it'll be fine in vehicles that are not in a high state of tune.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez. Doesn't anyone realise that nearly all oils are dyed? I suspect that synthetic two stroke oil would be a clear liquid undyed, and they add dye to it to make sure you don't drink it or something.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rubbish. If it says Jaso FB on the back of the bottle, I'd use it


And? Does that mean its right? Like I said nothing catastrophic is going to happen but a cheap oil like that will have less detegents causing worse smoking, fouling of plugs, fouling up exhausts etc.

Therefore generally reducing the engine performance which is quite important when you've only got a small engine to begin with.

Each to their own though.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
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Rubbish. If it says Jaso FB on the back of the bottle, I'd use it


And? Does that mean its right? Like I said nothing catastrophic is going to happen but a cheap oil like that will have less detegents causing worse smoking, fouling of plugs, fouling up exhausts etc.

Therefore generally reducing the engine performance which is quite important when you've only got a small engine to begin with.

Each to their own though.


Yes.

My dad has used oil that has Jaso FB on the back for 21,000km now (from new), not a single problem with the scooter. I used it in my scooter for 4,000km and never even removed the spark plug, not a whisp of smoke when the engine was warmed up, no change in performance from either, never de-coked an exhaust.

Hmm Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well if you and your Dad have used Jaso FB in your scooters that's all the proof I need. Thumbs Up

Fuck the oil companies who spent millions developing Jaso FC and FD. Conning bastards.

If it's good enough for lawnmowers it's good enough for my bikes as well.

P.S. Stowelly if you can stretch to it buy Castrol TTS (jaso fc). Have a look in the 2 stroke bike/oil thread and make your own mind up.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're an idiot.

As I said, in low powered machines, anything more is just a waste of money.

flat spot wrote:
P.S. Stowelly if you can stretch to it buy Castrol TTS (jaso fc). Have a look in the 2 stroke bike/oil thread and make your own mind up.


You're suggesting he buys more expensive oil without even knowing what he rides. If he rides a moped, what is the point? £3 a litre mineral oil compared to Castrol TTS which is what? £10 a litre? It doesn't make economical sense.

Stowelly, only buy more expensive semi-synthetic or synethic oil if you are running something the requires that oil (higher powered machine). If you're riding a moped, don't bother because there is nothing wrong with using mineral oil.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're an idiot.


Wow, intelligent answer.

My experience of owning 2 strokes for 30 years amounts to nothing afterall. Oh well.

However unlike you what I'm doing is advising not telling. The economic factor was also never mentioned. You just kind of added that in didnt you?

It doesn't matter what he rides. If you put in a more effective oil that protects and keeps everything cleaner and efficient then it's all good.
Just because it's low power doesn't mean all the internals aren't stretched. I don't ever recall a moped being started up, left to warm and gently ridden away. More like crank it up and rev the tits off it is the norm.
You, your Dad and Stowelly can put cheap shit in your bikes if you like. It doesn't bother me one way or the other.

Like I said before Stowelly, have a squizz at the other threads and make up your own mind.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
My experience of owning 2 strokes for 30 years amounts to nothing afterall. Oh well.


Elaborate on this then and give us some examples like I have done to back up my statements.

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The economic factor was also never mentioned. You just kind of added that in didnt you?


Yes, because not only if you use mineral oil in a low power machine do you not have all the problems you listed from my experience, but you also save money, and that can only be a good thing.

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Just because it's low power doesn't mean all the internals aren't stretched. I don't ever recall a moped being started up, left to warm and gently ridden away. More like crank it up and rev the tits off it is the norm.


Yes, and never had any issues.

And I really can't see an engine in a low state of tune failing because you used mineral oil rather the semi-synthetic or fully-synthetic oil. Maybe the engine would wear slightly (and I mean ever so slightly) quicker than if you used higher grade oil, but the money you saved would cover the cost of rebuilding the engine, and that's if you even need to do it before you sell the bike on.

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...cheap shit...


Cheap? Yes. Shit? The real life experiences that I have had suggest not.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once put 1-1 tesco 2 stroke oil and veg oil in my mz.

It was fine.

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PostPosted: 06:36 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MZs will run on anything. As will most low powered 2T bikes. In fact, I've found engines last longer using Tesco/Carlube/other cheapo 2 stroke oil than stuff like Silkolene, Putoline and Motul.

Texaco used to do a fantastic (but inexpensive) own brand 2 stroke oil. I used that in my seriously tweaked LC500 (which was then canned to buggery) and never had a problem. Expensive oil is a waste of money unless you're riding a competition bike.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

woah, didnt mean to start an argument over whos oil is better! only bought it as was running low and thats all they had

is a NSR 125 so i probably should be putting better oil in it, just really needed to know if its safe. I do usually buy semi synthetic

although I did see some Tesco Value 2 stroke oil for a fiver, which leads me to believe that shit should stay well away from my bike!!

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PostPosted: 17:15 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tesco oil would do a damn sight less damage to your bike than running dry would Wink
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know 4 strokes are completely different but I ran (and by ran I mean ragged everywhere) my CG125 on Morrisons Value Motor Oil (a whole litre for ?2!) for a while.

The CG engine is in a pretty low state of tune also and absolutely no harm came to it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:

Texaco used to do a fantastic (but inexpensive) own brand 2 stroke oil. I used that in my seriously tweaked LC500 (which was then canned to buggery) and never had a problem. Expensive oil is a waste of money unless you're riding a competition bike.



Sorry but what a load of bollocks! Confused Rolling Eyes I got stuck on my old aprilia RS 125 once in the middle of nowhere & had to buy the only 2t oil the local texaco garage sold, I had just replaced the piston rings & gaskets on the bike & 200 miles later it detonated. Rolling Eyes The rings welded themselves to the piston making nice big/deep score marks up the barrel.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a JC rated Putoline oil in my Vespa, It may well be overkill, I've never had any problems,but it's only done 18k so I can't really tell.
The plug does always stay really clean and I do a lot of short journeys so I'd like to think the engine/exhaust is clean aswell, I certainly haven't noticed any drop in performance.
I don't sell my bikes and I'm to busy to be learning how to rebuild a 2 stroke engine that is soon to be obsolete.

In a lot of Asian countries they use 2 stoke oils that probably wouldn't even meet Jaso FB, but then again they ride in flip-flops and eat insects so aren't exactly great roll models.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BenR wrote:
27cows wrote:

Texaco used to do a fantastic (but inexpensive) own brand 2 stroke oil. I used that in my seriously tweaked LC500 (which was then canned to buggery) and never had a problem. Expensive oil is a waste of money unless you're riding a competition bike.



Sorry but what a load of bollocks! Confused Rolling Eyes I got stuck on my old aprilia RS 125 once in the middle of nowhere & had to buy the only 2t oil the local texaco garage sold, I had just replaced the piston rings & gaskets on the bike & 200 miles later it detonated. Rolling Eyes The rings welded themselves to the piston making nice big/deep score marks up the barrel.


I think that says more about the quality of Yams over Aprilias than anything Wink
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:


I think that says more about the quality of Yams over Aprilias than anything Wink


My tdr125 died using texaco 2stroke when i got stranded without oil...on the run home infact! (100miles)

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