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PostPosted: 00:52 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Our tax money wasted on homeopathy provided by the NHS. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:05 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that makes me pretty sick.

I hope those providing this treatment drown some day! Thumbs Down (what? accidental over-doses do happen you know)
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got no problems with Homeopaths so long as they allow their teachings and methods to be subjected to rigourous scientific testing and examination.

If you're interested buy the book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre or read his blog here: https://www.badscience.net/

I highly recommend the "Found you new job" link (1st one at time of writing). Not strictly about homeopathy but it informs you about a pin badge that wards off headlice. Only ?19 plus p&p.

Also check out Dara O Briain talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIaV8swc-fo
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a scientist, taxpayer and clinician, this makes me more angry than you can possibly imagine.

It is long past time someone took a homeopathic practitioner to court under the sale of goods act. Preferrably a crown court whose ruling sets legal prescedent. 1) Unfit for the purpose intended. It does nothing. No properly blinded clinical trials exist showing it is inay way effective. 2) Not of merchentable quality. There is not a single molecule of the claimed active ingredient in the remedy. 3) Not as described. Will not and cannot make you better.


Did you know it is ILLEGAL to practice homeopathy on an animal without first having consulted a registered veterinary surgeon?
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeopathy/

Read this shit:

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Homeopathy is a system of medicine which is based on treating the individual with highly diluted substances*

*Water

Homeopaths on homeopathy wrote:
Scientifically it can not yet be explained precisely how it works


Thank you and goodnight.
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PostPosted: 05:34 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt much of the 20m went into homeopathy tbh.
As for the treatment itself, isnt it just another placebo? They get used all the time.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rhone81 wrote:
https://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeopathy/

Read this shit:

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Homeopathy is a system of medicine which is based on treating the individual with highly diluted substances*

*Water

Homeopaths on homeopathy wrote:
Scientifically it can not yet be explained precisely how it works


Thank you and goodnight.


Ah, but the water molecules remember being in contact with actual cure, because they've been in a container that has been tapped 20 times on a leather pad stuffed with horse hair.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaPo wrote:
I doubt much of the 20m went into homeopathy tbh.
As for the treatment itself, isnt it just another placebo? They get used all the time.


They do. A double blind trial removes the placebo effect. It compares the effect of the "new" remedy against an inactive placebo. The people under treatment and the people administering it don't know if they are taking the placebo or the treatment.

In blinded trials with homeopathy, there is no significant difference in response between the two groups.

In fact. I'll go further. Nobody has been able to demonstrate any means of telling the difference between a homeopathic preparation and distilled water. There is an American skeptic who has offered a million dollars to anyone who can demonstrate such a difference exists (either by analytical chemistry or biomedical research).

As placebos go, it isn't even that effective. Clinical research has shown the following. Capsules > Tablets > Powders. Big capsules > Small capsules. Bright coloured capsules > Plain colours. Two-tone capsules > Single colour.

So if I put 0.25g or glucose powder in these and told you to take one twice daily:
https://www.encapdrugdelivery.com/assets/images/blue_orange_capsules_1.JPG

You'd show more improvement than if I put the same stuff in these:
https://drgina.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/white_capsules.gif

Homeopathic remedies are just about the worst form a placebo could take:
https://www.thepartnershipcentre.co.uk/images/Holistic_Homeopath.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
https://www.encapdrugdelivery.com/assets/images/blue_orange_capsules_1.JPG


I'd love to have capsules this shape filled with sugar! I'd pretend to be Dr. House, always taking them around people and pretending I'm high! (help I need a life)
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Clinical research has shown the following. Operations > Injections > Capsules > Tablets > Powders.


Just completed the list Smile
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Clinical research has shown the following. Operations > Injections > Capsules > Tablets > Powders.


Just completed the list Smile


Laughing "We didn't know how to treat you but don't you feel much better now you've had a leg removed?"

Like stinkwheel, this story makes my blood boil. Homeopaths are charlatans who prey on those who are most vulnerable, i.e. the sick. They are cynical, dishonest, and generally evil.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you've done it. The mushroom is going to be very angry when he reads this. Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree little healing can come from a drop of distilled water-NHS would have been better off spending 20 ml on hypnosis.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
I tend to agree little healing can come from a drop of distilled water-NHS would have been better off spending 20 ml on hypnosis.


With 20 million you could incentivise giving up smoking by offering smokers cash hand outs for those willing to come in weekly for a check up confirming they are not smoking (I'm pretty sure this can be done from reading various reduced symptoms alone).

Not that the government would ever do the above. They enjoy making money from smokers, they're not about to start handing out money to kill a revenue stream.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:51 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cant pay people to have unconditional self respect and expect lasting results-the day you have to pay for the treatment of your disease maybe we will see a different attitude.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've often thought about dabbling in this area, I thought it might be satisfying, but in the end I decided not to bother.

Don't get me wrong, people can sleep with who ever the please, it's just not to my taste.

Wink

PS: Homeopathy is a load of old crap, but the people who believe and swear by it, also pay taxes (or so the argument goes) which is why it is included amongst the panopoly of usual treatments. Also, from the NHS point of view, you get a fair few lefty ex-hippy types in decision making posts, even if they think homeopathy is rubbish; it's trendy to 'have it on board.'
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:
this story makes my blood boil.


If you're anything like my iron, you'll be glad for some distilled water by the end of it Wink
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