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keev
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 31 Jan 2010    Post subject: Best alarm, and tracker for R1 Reply with quote
I recantly bought a new R1 (07 modle), would like to put an alarm and tracker on it, as it means alot to me and would like to keep it Very Happy , iv a buget of up to around ?500 for both, any ideas???
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TUG
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can only have one on that budget mate, Meta defcom is a plug in alarm, no wiring, but the tracker needs to be well hidden and the aerial cant be folded or bent aswell as wired in.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can get a fully featured alarm system (assuming you need/want the features) for ?70 if you don't go for one of the branded efforts. E.g. I tried/use https://motorbikealarm.co.uk/node/27 - it is OK, not totally great, but OK. Up to the job. And easily disabled in the event of it playing up (very good for bike reliability, not so good for difficulty to circumvent. Then again, that provider does offer a CAT1 system too).

Methinks a cheapish alarm/immobiliser (example as above) and a decent tracker is the way to go (this is assuming you can't be bothered to buy and use an Almax chain properly (attached through the front wheel of your bike, to a traffic sign, simply does not count), in which case you would be protected far better than any alarm/tracker ever could do). No idea on which tracker to use though, my cheap old bikes don't even necessitate the need of an Almax chain (i use one anyway - because i'm paranoid Thumbs Up)
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 01 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ingah wrote:

(this is assuming you can't be bothered to buy and use an Almax chain properly (attached through the front wheel of your bike, to a traffic sign, simply does not count)


I have myself an almax chain but I don't use it properly.

I know it's ideal to get it through the frame, but I cannot do this because of fairing and there's no room.

Is it better to put it through the front or back wheel?

I know people say to put it through the swingarm, but how can you do this there isn't a hole like in the R1 swingarm?

What would be the best option on this bike?

https://www.bucketsnbits.co.nz/bnb/kawzzr600rhs.jpg

I agree with everything you've said. No one gives a toss about alarms when they go off. I sat outside a busy shopping centre for 1 hour, right next to a taxi rank with loads of people walking past while we were attacking my disc lock with a junior hack saw and a hammer. Not a single person said anything. I had ridden off with the disc lock on and had bent it so could not remove it.

The best way to stop your R1 from getting nicked is physical security.

I wouldn't blow my money on a tracker tbh. I think the sort of people that nick R1's will probably be familiar with them.
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Ingah
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
In order of priority, i'd try to put the chain through in the below 3 places.

Front wheels are usually easier and quicker to remove than rear wheels.

A cheap alarm and an Almax through the rear wheel is a solid-enough combination imo.
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TUG
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ingah wrote:
In order of priority, i'd try to put the chain through in the below 3 places.

Front wheels are usually easier and quicker to remove than rear wheels.

A cheap alarm and an Almax through the rear wheel is a solid-enough combination imo.

3 & 2 remove wheel, 1 Undo exhaust?
It doesn't matter what you do, people will steal it. When not parking in your garage at home its best to leave your bike in public view tbh, If its hidden away then they get to enjoy the piece and quiet while they work.
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Ingah
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 02 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
XlonewolfX wrote:

3 & 2 remove wheel, 1 Undo exhaust?
... When not parking in your garage at home its best to leave your bike in public view tbh, If its hidden away then they get to enjoy the piece and quiet while they work.


Correct. It just takes longer to get the rear wheel off than the front (and besides which you need to have people physically hold the bike up if you remove the rear - as i once found out the hard way when i removed the rear wheel from a CG125 without a support... Embarassed - whilst with a centre stand the front can be removed without the bike falling over).
Point 1 was with the intention of putting it through the wheel too making it a harder job (doubtable the Almax would fit which is why i gave alternatives)

As i said, it's a "solid-enough" arrangement when combined with an alarm (no noise = no bike in the morning), as david can't get his chain through the frame. It's not the "ideal/best solution".

XlonewolfX wrote:

It doesn't matter what you do, people will steal it.

And as i've said previously, i wish people would stop saying things like that. I will now quote myself in another thread to save my typing fingers:
Ingah wrote:

I know [that what you say] is technically true, but it sounds almost too much like "meh, may as well not bother as it won't really make a difference - it won't stop theft" (or at least gives that impression).

Obviously anything human made can be beaten by other humans - so any security can theoretically be beaten, given TIME, but it's TIME that you can deprive a thief of to the extent where they either simply won't try (the best security Thumbs Up ), or where they'll give in or get caught before they're done beating it.

Example for you: Living in a town/city. If you use an Almax Series 4 chain (as an example of the "best" imo, chain) through the frame of your bike, to a lamp post near your house (or better yet, a decent ground anchor) - i can pretty much guarantee you no one will steal your bike. [NB: Vandalism is not prevented in the slightest Sad ] If you combine this with a motion-sensing alarm that covers the area around your bike (i got my fully-featured system for ?70 and i'm sure you can use a baby monitor or something cheaper if desired) then you're laughing as not only will attacking the chain be making a *loud* noise, but the alarm is sure to be blaring too. No one is going to be able to steal the bike, especially if you're in (unless you prefer to cower under the bed than go out there and hit the attempted-thieves) - or of course unless you leave your keys somewhere they can easily get to if they break in to your house (*facepalm*). They won't have it away in time via the standard means - it'll take too many minutes to break the chain with their loud power tools. And they can't use silent tools like bolt croppers - as even the Almax Series 3 guarantees you can't break them with croppers, and there's independently verified videos floating around proving it. It's for that reason i personally won't use any other chain than Almax, because if it can be silently bolt-cropped/similar, then what's the point in bothering, as yes, it will just "slow them down" rather than stop them.

My point is that with low-grade security i think it's more of a deterrant and a slow-them-down, but with properly thought out security, you can pretty much (as in nearly but not quite) prevent theft of your bikes. Unless you've peed off the British secret services or equivalent, of course Wink


Garage is security by obscurity - less people will know it there so you've got less chance of being targetted. But if they do know it's there they are more likely to succeed. Swings, roundabouts. (although vandalism protection and weather/elements protection definitely makes the garage have an edge).
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keev
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks for the advice guys, i understand that theres not really a 100% way off stoping them Sad but if i can put them off or just make it difficult id be happy as its pride an joy at the moment Smile it is garage stored at home aswell Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 03 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two wildlife photographers are filming a cheetah when all of a sudden the big cat takes more than a passing interest in them. The first photographer reaches into his bag, pulls out a pair of running shoes and puts them on. The second photographer tells him that it's pointless putting his running shoes on as they'll never be able to out run a cheetah, to which the first photographer replies "bollocks to the cheetah, as long as I can outrun you!"

To bring this on topic:

You may never be able to beat the bike thief, but enough security will make someone elses bike an easier target!
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Park it on your lawn and protect with these:

https://ordatamines.maic.jmu.edu/displaydata.aspx?OrDataId=7568

I have a box in the shed that you can have.
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Ingah
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
CHR15 wrote:

hmm.. interested in selling some of them? nextdoor neigbour has this bloody cat that keeps pissing on my bike.


Motion sensing alarm will solve that in no time Mr. Green

Either that or hang out your window with a BB gun, and wait Wink
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keev
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 04 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sounds like a hell of a cat Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: SECURITY Reply with quote
With bikes I would always go with a tough physical security device first and then backed up with an alarm.
You could always try one of these as well..

https://www.toadalarm.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=52&b=2

Wire the thing up to the fuel pump and kill the engine while they are nicking it....ok maybe not but you know what I mean
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ingah wrote:
It just takes longer to get the rear wheel off than the front

Ever tried wheeling a bike with the front off the ground? Try it with a push bike - easy. Now try that with the back lifted instead. Harder as the front wobbles all over the place. Now imagine thieves have removed one of your wheels and are trying to wheel the bike away - locking which wheel makes it harder for them? Ok, there may be several of them and have a van but it still makes it a bit harder for them with no extra effort from you. If you can only put a chain through a wheel then use the back one.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is far easier to move a bike without a rear than without a front,

there is more weight over the front wheel and there is more to hold at the rear.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
To lift, perhaps but not to steer it. Unless they have assistance, in which case they could just lift the whole thing
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skatefreak
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 27 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chain involving the back tire and disk lock on the front.
The NSR has bitch soct forks so although is isnt that heavy its a c*nt to move as the front wheel is going to stay pretty close to the floor...

All that being said its a bloody 125, not that heavy...

Better get back to praying!

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