Has to be a better way

[2wheelsteve]

If bikes had bombs attached to the front of the them then there really wouldnt be many drivers pulling out in front of them, the fact they aint gonna get hurt makes all the difference and they seem to think with all our gear on we are protected which also brings me to another misconception and that is, if your riding to the left of the road for example in lots of oncoming traffic so if any move out to overtake there is more chance they will see you first and think again, anyway if your over to the left they assume your going slower and can stop safer than if you were in the crown of the road, there must be better education for drivers and stiffer penalties for not looking properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlVR_2_9gzw
is an example of what I mean.
Ride safe guys
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[Darth]

Sorry but your post comes across as very confusing.

As for the video - yes the car driver was a muppet for pulling out in front of you but your immediate overtake and slowing beside him (presumably to give him a two fingered salute or similar) on the approach to a roundabout was hardly clever either!

Not saying i wouldn't have done the same when the red mist came down but just shows nobody is perfect - biker or not.
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

^^^This post will get ripped to bits, just you see.
Thankyou for offering no real help other than 'ride safe guys' and 'better education'.

Position for your best view when its safe to do so.
Expect the unexpected is also useless advice, but its what i try and do.

SMIDSY is the norm, not just for bikers but for anything that wanders onto tarmac.

Ride Well


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[Maruchino]

There was a study some time back on whether people would drive safer if a knife was fixed to the steering wheel. Apparently the results were predominantly "no".

[2wheelsteve]

[Flip]

People struggle to judge the distance and speed of motorbikes. It's nothing new.

[2wheelsteve]

[Clanger]

You as a biker need to make a judgement call in these situations.

You know for a fact that you joined that main road from a side road, and the car driver would still be 'remembering' that there was one car coming then a gap.

The majority of drivers don't look again, to make sure a biker hasn't suddenly come along and filled that gap.

These are lessons you learn the longer you ride. Things you automatically consider, and make allowances for. I think most riders would have blipped their throttle, or perhaps hooted their horn, to alert the car driver that they were there. Or at the very least, slowed down.

You need to learn to ride around assuming other road users won't see you, rather than they should see you.
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[2wheelsteve]

[quote="Clanger"]

[bazza]

[Serendipity]

A genuine SMIDSY would have given you little or no time to react. I suggest that the event in your video is an example of a much less dangerous, but more frequent and worrying trend that you could call a SMIDSY,BQFICGAF,IPOA (sorry mate I DID see you, but quite frankly I couldn't give a fvck, I'm pulling out anyway).
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[2wheelsteve]

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[Andy C]

Just make sure your bike makes lots of noise (Race can/system, louder horn).

I found that you could start telling who was about pull out on you little tells such as how close they are to the junction paint on the road, if they car is nudging (driver on the clutch biting point ready to move quickly), head past steering wheel looking both ways quickly.

Then just slip the clutch/press horn so they know your there.

Although wont help all every time as some car drivers arn't that observant
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[G]

Do you drive cars etc?
I used to think it was just being on bikes, but since being on four wheels, had the same in big cars and even bigger vans.

The video shown didn't seem to be massively bad driving considering much I've seen.

If bikes had bombs had attached it would definitely make the bike riders a lot more careful. Not sure it would help car drivers that much.

[Ste]

[Blue_SV650S]

If you had time to beep your horn and flash your lights then it really wasn't all that close was it!!!

Yes they did pull out on you, but it was a 'you tw4t' moment ... NOT a brown trouser one ...
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[Andy C]

[G]

Yea, I'll often give a blip of the throttle coming up to a junction, especially if I hadn't had decent eye contact with the driver.

[bazza]

[swampy]

I think the OP has set a new forum record for flouncing. From 'hi ya' to 'I'm never coming back' faster than a speeding bullet
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