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Ichy
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: DIY reserve light Reply with quote

I'm building a bike and after suffering with previous efforts I've fitted a CBR fuel level sender in the tank.

Unfortunately I have no idea on how to covert the signal from it into a lit LED.

Can any one send me a circuit diagram of how I get a LED to light from a switch once it reaches zero resistance without putting any voltage through it?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't you use one of those electromagnetic switches?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_switch

The voltage could power an electromagnet which closes a circuit - that circuit could either short circuit the LED or you could use a small NOT logic gate I suppose?

Either way, when voltage is low enough you'd not be able to power the magnet. I'm in no way an electrician and know pretty much nothing about electrics but this was the first thing that came to my mind and how I might attempt this problem. I'm sure there's an easier way to do it though?
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 05 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are basically a switch themselves that usually when closed (short) allow a very small voltage to travel to the ECU. Depends on model.
They also need damping in the electronics otherwise they would flick on and off mentally. This is usually done in the ECU, it waits for say a continuous short state of 2 minutes before it will light the fuel low on the clock.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the sender for a fuel gauge or a fuel light?

If its a simple switch (fuel light) and should be very simple to wire up (on, off).

If its for a fuel gauge, i would swap the sender for a fuel light one as it will make things a lot simpler and less prone to error (battery voltage drop etc.)

Or just put a gauge from a CB on the other end.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the CBR the sender doesn't feed through an ECU and it just turns a light on when the fuel is low. The sender just makes a circuit.

I'm guessing I either need to somehow measure resistance and turn on the light when its 0k or I just need to check for when the circuit is made. I just don't have the electronic knowledge to work out how to do it.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing the sender is a variable resistance type, rather than a switch. You could alter this circuit, replacing the phototransistor with the sender, and the 1K resistor with a variable one, so you can set the sensitivity. You'll probably want a dropping resistor inline with the LED, seeing as it'll be 12v, not 3v Smile

https://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/nightlight

Problem would be smoothing the output, otherwise every bump you went over would leave it flashing.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
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What the what what Confused Confused Confused Very Happy


Cheers looks like a good starting point.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I'm guessing the sender is a variable resistance type, rather than a switch. You could alter this circuit, replacing the phototransistor with the sender, and the 1K resistor with a variable one, so you can set the sensitivity. You'll probably want a dropping resistor inline with the LED, seeing as it'll be 12v, not 3v Smile

https://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/nightlight

Problem would be smoothing the output, otherwise every bump you went over would leave it flashing.

The problem with that circuit is that you'll find that the LED will gradually turn on, it won't be the on/off thing you want.

For an LED on/off type thing you want to use a comparator, like the 741 op-amp. You can then adjust the reference voltage to the comparator to choose at which point the LED comes on.

A simple resistor/capacitor low pass filter on the output will smooth it nicely.

Will draw a circuit if you're interested Ichy.
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Ichy
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 06 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Will draw a circuit if you're interested Ichy.


Absolutely! I have no knowledge of electronics but I can follow a diagram and solder like a god Laughing
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