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 Posted: 21:04 - 22 Feb 2010 Post subject: help our heroes |
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fuck right off
money grabbing cunts ____________________ Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
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i think some military time would serve you well matt,
the soldiers and their families don't really get the financial or healthcare support they really need from the military, hence the charities popping up,
but i wouldn't expect you to understand that, ____________________ the humans are dead
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I'm not sure how much thought Matt put into the original post (my guess would be very little).
I can't help but partly agree with it (although probably not for the same reason).
Joining the armed forces is a choice. You are not forced into it. You must also therefore be fully aware of the risk of getting injured or killed and also be aware of the poor aftercare given by the armed forces to injured combatants.
While I don't think it's quite right that someone in the services gets such poor aftercare, I also don't think it's the place of a charity to solve the problem, it should be down to the government, they are, after all, the employer.
Now, preparing for a flammable statement....I also don't class combatants in the current 'war' to be heroes.
They are a paid-up fighting force sent into an unwanted conflict on the whim of an untrustworthy president/PM.
They have been sent to kill people I don't believe needed killing. So technically, if I cared to form such an opinion, they would be murderers rather than heroes, but I don't care for such an opinion so I don't hold it, for the moment I will stay neutral. |
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But if i got my arm stuck in a machine at work, i'd be bent over and spanked by the HSE asking why i was putting my arm in there.
Then i would be kicked out of the door because i'd be no use to my employer with only 1 arm. It's not just the military, it's the same in a lot of jobs.
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And what if you got your arm caught whilst following HSE guidelines regarding the machine, under your employers instruction? You'd more than likely get some form of severance payout.
I don't give to charities either but I can see the point in some of them, rather than just some money grabbers. ____________________ Current Bikes: Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 (2020)
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I never said MORE for psychological than physical, just both of them. A soldier with PTSD may require extensive and expensive therapy that would be unaffordable for an out of work traumatised soldier. It would also be unfair for the taxpayer to foot the bill as most of us say "It's their job, they know what they're getting into." So charities like this need to exist, to draw money from those who care enough to give money.
I can think of countless charities that get my attention more (donkey sanctuaries, RSPCA etc) but then again I'm not a humanitarian, towards war veterans or otherwise. ____________________ Current Bikes: Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 (2020)
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Some people can really read into things too much. The name Heroes is just a name, it fits and it's catchy so people are more likely to remember it.
Still, the definition of a "Hero" is "A man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.". So going by that definition i think it's fair to say someone who has had their legs blown off and isn't moaning about it is a hero. They are showing distinguished courage by not moaning and wallowing about the fact their life has been ruined. If you read into it you'd see that a lot of soldiers that have lost limbs, done so by running to injured comrades. Something that most civvy's wouldn't even think to do, let alone have the cajones to do it. ____________________ |--Previous--|:2007 Aprilia SX50... --Current--|: 2007 Kawasaki ER-6N
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I can;t help but get a bit miffed whenever soldiers are interviewed and have been injured whilst on the front line "did it for their country, serving the queen etc", cuz really I know quite a few forces people, and none of them have said their reason for joining was to serve their country and the queen, more like it was for the adventure/see the world/whatever lies were told to them at the recruitment office.
Just find it funny how that line and motivation comes out of the woodwork from time to time, then again I suppose they have to try and draw the sympathy vote since most peoples perspective of soldiers isn't favourable, be they on the front line or otherwise.
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| ms51ves3 wrote: | | st3v3 wrote: | Why? Our G'ment send them to war once they willingly sign up, I don't get why they shouldn't also be paid by the same arm that casts them outfield? If we stopped paying for useless shitty services like EU membership and immigrant related bollocks then we'd be far more likely to afford our own services and support our actions. |
Why would the government pay soldiers more if people are still joining up? That's just business sense. | Paying more? I didn't say they should....
My post was saying that after a solider is left unable to soldier due to injury then the g'ment should pay it. If I were injured at work and claimed, work would be fined etc and it would come from them - not some random 'office hero charity' fund pot.
Hollis, I don't quite think 'If you read into it you'd see that a lot of soldiers that have lost limbs, done so by running to injured comrades. Something that most civvy's wouldn't even think to do, let alone have the cajones to do it' counts as noble, it's merely a side effect reaction of being stuck in the field under threat of death and looking out for a colleugue. if my work had a fire and someone was stuck inside, I'd instinctively be heading back in to help, no doubt risking at least minor injury becauise instinctively I'm a helpy person, this isn't heroic it's human instinct under extreme cicumstances. ____________________ Roger wrote: Women don't get damp for clingy puppies. Get some better happy pills, hit the gym & buy a medallion the size of a dinner plate. Job done |
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