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HP
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: What fingers do you cover the brake and clutch with? Reply with quote

On my mod 1 which I done on the weekend using youtube videos my examiner warned me about using you index and middle finger on the brake and clutch lever saying i wouldnt be able to stop quick enough and he saids the mod 2 examiner will mark me down, can someone tell me if this is true and also is it a minor or a major because it is a habit which i can't get out of and i feel comfortable and in control of my bike.

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PostPosted: 19:33 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

how your examiner will see it, god knows. you are expected to use all four fingers when applying the brake or clutch though. whether it's a failing offense to use one finger is questionable if you are indeed in control of the bike, as thats what the test is about.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told during lessons to brake with all four fingers as I normally do it with just the first two, four fingers equal more pressure, resulting in stopping sooner...

Still ride with just the two to pull the lever in though, but I've never heard of that though regards the marks and the examiner never mentioned it with regards to my riding...

I did pass before all this Mod 1, Mod 2 came in though...
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 for me, can't seem to get the hang of just using 2.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rear brake/Clutch - four fingers
Front brake - two on the lever light braking normally all four under normal to heavy braking.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

3/4 on the clutch (heavy springs) 2 on the brake. You don't need more than 2 fingers if your brakes are well maintained (on a modern bike anyway)
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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as above 3-4 on the clutch and 1 or 2 on the brake

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PostPosted: 21:23 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers i may go for an hours training before my test to get rid of any bad habits but i practised some emergency stops using two fingers and i looked like i was stopping within the dsa figures so hopefully it will be fine as it feels so much more comportable having two fingers on the lever and the handle.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's three fingers, but only because I have the tiniest little fingers in the world!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
For me it's three fingers, but only because I have the tiniest little fingers in the world!!! Very Happy
me too.

When I taught CBT/DAS I had to use four fingers (or three if I couldn't reach, depends on what bike I was using at the time) on the front brake in front of the pupils or I got told off by the bosses.

On the way home, in my time, I switched back to two fingers, which I think is safer personally, more control and less likely to grab a handful in an emergency, but hey, you're passing a test, not learning to ride safely, that comes later, so you have to do what the examiner wants to see.

It's a left over from the days when brake levers would come back to the handlebar under maximum braking and should be dumped like hand signals were a few years ago.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just about the pressure you can apply with two fingers, it's more about the fact that on many bikes you won't be able to pull the brake lever as hard as possible before it has hit your two unused fingers. I naturally go with 2 but try to use 4. It isn't a problem if your bike has good modern brakes but if they're at all spongy it might be.

Just try pulling the lever as hard as you possibly can whilst stationary and see if you can get it to reach your fingers. I couldn't on my CBR but I can on my XT350.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

loverugby7 wrote:
cheers i may go for an hours training before my test to get rid of any bad habits but i practised some emergency stops using two fingers and i looked like i was stopping within the dsa figures so hopefully it will be fine as it feels so much more comportable having two fingers on the lever and the handle.


There are no DSA figures for stopping distances for the emergency stop....requirements are to a stop as quickly as you can while maintaining control of the bike, i.e. no skidding, the only figure I can think of is you must reach a minimum speed of 50kph when doing the emergency stop,

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PostPosted: 22:44 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

All four fingers on both. My clutch and brake cables are getting harder and harder to use and my brake is probably nearing the end of it's life judging by how useless it's becoming anyway Laughing

I've noticed I use less on better maintained bikes.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four on both.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh cheers for the advice tommy i tried that and i can't make the lever hit my fingers, i also agree that using two fingers will probaly lead to a quick yet controlled stop where as grabbing a handful could lock up thefront wheel. crack finder the stopping distances i was talking about is the ones from the highway code what i remember from my theory is that 40mph is 36m and 30mph is 26m.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

loverugby7 wrote:
yeh cheers for the advice tommy i tried that and i can't make the lever hit my fingers, i also agree that using two fingers will probaly lead to a quick yet controlled stop where as grabbing a handful could lock up thefront wheel. crack finder the stopping distances i was talking about is the ones from the highway code what i remember from my theory is that 40mph is 36m and 30mph is 26m.


ok, but as far as i know they're not interested in stopping distance (unless you take the piss) they just want to see you bring the bike to a controled stop a.s.a.p
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 on the brake, 3 on the clutch, but it's been a long time I've had to worry about riding "properly" Smile
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 on the clutch and 3 on the brake. I use my middle, ring and pinky on the lever whilst the index and thumb is used to control the throttle. Dead handy for me when i'm down-shifting and braking at the same time.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 for the clutch 2 for the front brake sometimes even just 1 on the front brake. I have 2 finger levers and i have come from a trials background too. Also i ALWAYS ride covered.

Find much more modulation and control in two fingers rather than just 'grabbing a handful'. Also the front brake on the CRF is very very keen, 2 finger stoppies are incredibly easy.

One of my friends has to use four as he cant get on with only using 2 fingers. Just personal preference IMO Thumbs Up Altough i will say i did break a finger on my clutch hand using two and went down as my fingers got trapped between the clutch lever and the bar. this was on the R6 before i switched to two finger levers like im used to.

I got told to use four on my test an he asked why am i only using 2 fingers so i said "its just how i know, also if it were an emergency im not going to 'grab a fistfull and deck it" so he responded saying that "if they (the test centre) wanted to be technical it could be classed as not in full control of the veichle." He agreed on why i was only using 2 but said "for the test use all four and just get through it. Then go back to using two if ya want."

I'd use all four for the test then do which ever feels more comfortable to you Thumbs Up

P.S i find 2 finger levers last longer too as they dont go to the end of the bar so less likely to get snapped in an off Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 01 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Four on both.


Same here, never had any urges to use less.

Although when I was doing my CBT years ago, we were warned against using anothing other than 4 fingers.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last 3 fingers using the brake. All 4 using the clutch, evidently my hands are too weak to use just 1/2... Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titz wrote:
4 on the clutch and 3 on the brake. I use my middle, ring and pinky on the lever whilst the index and thumb is used to control the throttle. Dead handy for me when i'm down-shifting and braking at the same time.


I find it easy enough to use four fingers to brake and still have my thumb and palm of my hand hold the throttle at somewhere above idle still which makes a big difference when shifting down as you say. The less vigorously I'm braking the more I can brake and properly control the throttle at the same time though. Even hill starts with just the front brake, it's very fun to practice and get right.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm what does your examiner actually mean though? strictly speaking in examiner language:

Cover = Holding fingers on or over the leaver in anticipation of braking or operation of clutch.

Operate = Actually physically operating the brake or clutch.

Your examiner shouldnt be telling you to cover the clutch/brake at all, but shoudl be telling you to use all available fingers to operate the clutch/brake

The same goes for the rear brake and IIRC an examiner can give a minor per incidence.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

crackfinder wrote:

There are no DSA figures for stopping distances for the emergency stop....requirements are to a stop as quickly as you can while maintaining control of the bike, i.e. no skidding, the only figure I can think of is you must reach a minimum speed of 50kph when doing the emergency stop,

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Strange - they say you must do at least 31mph before doing an emergency stop. When I did mine it was in a 30-limit Smile
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 02 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
crackfinder wrote:

There are no DSA figures for stopping distances for the emergency stop....requirements are to a stop as quickly as you can while maintaining control of the bike, i.e. no skidding, the only figure I can think of is you must reach a minimum speed of 50kph when doing the emergency stop,

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Strange - they say you must do at least 31mph before doing an emergency stop. When I did mine it was in a 30-limit Smile


thats one of the reasons that module 1 is carried out off road, minimum 50kph for the swerve, and minimum 50kph for the emergency stop, 50kph = 32mph
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