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skatefreak
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Holy cr*p, theres an NSR outside! Reply with quote

Well,
after allll the hassle i was having with the 4st engine on my other bike I picked up an nsr Neutral

Think i might be regretting it a touch in the sense i took up up the road and back and Baaaaa, what can i say...
Scaarrryyyy, very very very different to the import 4st supermoto!

I havnt riden for a few months so i'm going to forget everything i thought i knew about being able to ride and back to starting off again as this thing corners like a freight train!

Got to get the insurance sorted in the morning and then time to clock up a few rides round the block!

I guess what i'm a little concerned that this all just went to well...
The bike feels solid, the guy i bought it from was an absolute champ and rode it from portsmith back to luton following us (interesting when having to keep off motorways) and that bike did phenomenally well keeping up with the 2l mazda we were in! Only stopped briefly for some fuel and it was pretty much constantly riding for 2+ hours.


The bike came with another engine, some extra fairings, radiator, indicators and lots of other bits (front wheel?!?!?) all scavaged from half another nsr he had there.

Seriously pokey from 5k-8k'ish but tails off (all guessed from first gear on my street).

Am really looking forward to getting onto this bike and had to put up a post heh.


Any thoughts would be much appreciated about what i should look at on this bike over the next few weeks, change oil, water... ???

He took me over the bike and said it had fresh oil, water and such (water was clear, have the left over oil for the engine) and am not to sure what else to look at?

Chain looks pretty clean and lubricated, break pads look good and pretty sharp...

I hope this bike doesnt cr*p out on me like my last... although i do have a honda dealership near by just incase (not that i probly wont try a little myself at home first heh).

Well played to anyone that makes it to the end of this ramble!

Best regards

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditch the water asap and by ASAP I mean now. Like seriously now as in stop reading this and drain it. YOu need anti freeze in an engine to stop the coolant freezing and expanding in you engine as this could crack the water ways.

Also not sure what an NSR redlines at but I would have throught it would scream all the way to the top Which I would have thought would be more than 8k.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

as chris said, must be a 50 50 mix (or pre mix coolant) to stop any corrosion. Do it.
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My nsr will hit over the 11k revs but my nsr is very special it's like a rabied dog with adhd. I lol'd when you said you went from an unreliable 4t to a 2t.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

well common,
my street isnt that long haha, but i'm pretty confident it will rev up as far as i dare but i did feel it tail off a touch at the top end (restrictor me's thinks).

I didnt get this either actually but the water is directly in the radiator and there is another tank directly next to it that apparently takes the antifreeze?!? (deffinatly not the same tank as the oil though heh...

Either i heard him wrong or i'm mixed up somewhat...

any thoughts?

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
well common,
my street isnt that long haha, but i'm pretty confident it will rev up as far as i dare but i did feel it tail off a touch at the top end (restrictor me's thinks).

I didnt get this either actually but the water is directly in the radiator and there is another tank directly next to it that apparently takes the antifreeze?!? (deffinatly not the same tank as the oil though heh...

Either i heard him wrong or i'm mixed up somewhat...

any thoughts?

-Jvr


Oh fuck............................
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
as chris said, must be a 50 50 mix (or pre mix coolant) to stop any corrosion. Do it.
Like fuck.


Ran my bike for a year on just water as coolant, never did any damage. Wink
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i totally get the freezing water will bugger the water system but if the tank to the left of the three under the tank (looking forward) isnt for antifreeze.... just what is it?!? lol

Will deffinalty put some in once i'v figured out what that tank is actually for in that case...

jst googling now really..

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not 100% on the anatomy of the NSR, but remember with a road-going 2t there'll (presumably?) be a separate tank for the two stroke oil!! It'll have separate oil for the gearbox as well, but this isn't consumable like the 2t oil.

There should be another tank for coolant, which should take the 50/50 water/antifreeze mix. It doesn't just live in the rad or whatever you said, there IS a tank.

It can't hurt to change oil & coolant, wont cost much but time and might prevent a "my nsr blew up" thread!
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
as chris said, must be a 50 50 mix (or pre mix coolant) to stop any corrosion. Do it.
Like fuck.


Ran my bike for a year on just water as coolant, never did any damage. Wink


How do you know?
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Awaits Keith* Laughing.
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
*Awaits Keith* Laughing.


I think even Keith will be smashing his head against the keyboard right now.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

indeed,
keith will know :p

I know there is engine oil in the engine and that there is 2st oil in the reserve where it should be under the tank as the guy "opened her up" with me (btw, anyone know there is even a kind of bonnet pole to hold the tank up like a car haha!).

But yeah, the bike has been ridden right up to the sale by the seller and the seller road it from plimouth to luton following me (awesome chap) so i'm pretty happy the bikes functional Smile

i'm jst still curious about this antifreeze issue.
Maybe the tank i'm thinking of is a coolant tank which holds some of the fluid that circulates round the cooling system...

Would get some antifreeze in there buts its late and nowhere open to get it from Neutral The bikes under a cover and was kept outside previously so i figure it should be okay for tonight.

Cheers for the replys though guys!
Any ideas what else i should maybe look at?

Best regards

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep it'll be fine for tonight, no worries. Look in the coolant tank, if it's coloured it's probably got antifreeze, if it's clear, probably not.

General service items like the gearbox oil, pads, chain etc. Not too sure about service intervals on NSRs so best to download or buy a workshop manual for it - halfrauds will probably stock the haynes.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The antifreeze and water are not separate there would be no point to having it the whole point of it is to stop the water freezing it can;t do that if it isn;t mixed in.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttr wrote:
Yep it'll be fine for tonight, no worries. Look in the coolant tank, if it's coloured it's probably got antifreeze, if it's clear, probably not.

General service items like the gearbox oil, pads, chain etc. Not too sure about service intervals on NSRs so best to download or buy a workshop manual for it - halfrauds will probably stock the haynes.


Yeah but the point is we don't think he's looking in the coolant tank, we think he's looking in the two stroke oil tank!

OP:
Something you must know. Two stroke motorcycles run a total loss lubrication system. This means that the engine oil is burned along with the fuel. You will have to keep topping up the tank with two stroke oil regularly. I think the NSR uses a litre for every four or five tanks of fuel or something like that.

If you are running water in the cooling system and the temperature outside gets to -1, you could be in trouble. A frozen coolant system can mean a cracked barrel which means a new one. You can buy pre mixed coolant designed for bikes with alloy radiators from most bike shops.

Thirdly, there is oil in the 'engine' which doesn't get burned but it is exclusively for the gearbox. Worry about that last.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a pic of my old NSR to try help clear it up,

Red arrow is where the two stroke oil goes, Green arrow is the coolant expansion tank, Blue is where you fill up the cooling system.

https://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g123/ncrn/cooloil.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahaaa!
ncrn, thats the ticket!
So i got the tanks right, just have to check the water in the system has some antifreezy stuff in it!
I would have thought there was as te bike has been kept outdoors and its been pretty cold lately...
Always best to check tho so the coolant will have a smell wont it...

Will get right onto it Smile

best regards

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
Ahaaa!
ncrn, thats the ticket!
So i got the tanks right, just have to check the water in the system has some antifreezy stuff in it!
I would have thought there was as te bike has been kept outdoors and its been pretty cold lately...
Always best to check tho so the coolant will have a smell wont it...

Will get right onto it Smile

best regards

-Jvr


It will be coloured (blue usually)
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

*BCF sighs in relief* Razz
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it helps my nsr used to go right through the revband and over if i wasn't carefull. got 87 downhill once. enjoy it though. it's a cracking bike. good choice.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,
Yeah, cheers.
I have been out on it 3 times today, running out of excuses to go out now :p

Just curious though, i noticed the bike is pretty tame up till around 6k but from 6k + it just Rockets!

The bike littlerally *kicks in* and pulls harder and harder untill i wimp out (i litterally girly out around 8-9k at the moment!).

But yeah, that sound normal atall? The performance difference if night and day either side of 6k, supprisingly so...

Cant wait to do my test and get this un-restricted Razz

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
Hey,
Yeah, cheers.
I have been out on it 3 times today, running out of excuses to go out now :p

Just curious though, i noticed the bike is pretty tame up till around 6k but from 6k + it just Rockets!

The bike littlerally *kicks in* and pulls harder and harder untill i wimp out (i litterally girly out around 8-9k at the moment!).

But yeah, that sound normal atall? The performance difference if night and day either side of 6k, supprisingly so...

Cant wait to do my test and get this un-restricted Razz

-Jvr


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_band

I guess so, but that's a bit wide for a 2t.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

what year isit? uk or jap bike? probaly not got the powervalve wired up if it is a nsr. if its a ns125r AKA kickstart there like that power wise
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its the 2002 model.
To be honest i do say the bike starts shifting at 6k and just pulls harder and harder but i cannot say i'v revved it up that high, not near the red line yet....

I'm to busy holding on and cr*pping myself to check the revs and back off after a short while.

I have heard the power tails off after 9,000'ish (restricted), might be a while before i can hold it together enough to check haha.

When i say it pulls at 6k, there is a very noticable jolt in acceleration (power valve?!) and it just keeps pulling harder...

i think i need to go find an NSL road soon Smile

-Jvr
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