Total Loss Ignition

[Paulington]

Can anyone give me a bigger insight into this form of ignition?

I have found a bike which is decent price for the age (2007) and has been tracked but seems very well looked after and has a fair few modifications etc, no visible damage that I can see.

However, it runs total loss ignition, whilst I understand it takes all power from the battery and doesn't recharge is it okay to be recharged with a trickle charger etc?

The bike is a Daytona 675 and if anyone knows the amp/hour of the battery could they roughly guess how long it'd need between recharges? Was thinking of getting a spare battery to take on long journeys anyway.

Cheers.
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[Devans]

Killswitch?

[Paulington]

[hmmmnz]

just turn it back into a normal system, you coulld probably find all the gear on ebay for about the price of a decent new battery
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[Paulington]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Not sure on the Daytona. It might use a piggy back separate alternator above the gearbox and it would be easy to remove this. But also pretty easy to replace.

Regulator / rectifier would be pretty easy to put back on.

I would be more concerned over how much the wiring has been butchered when the charging system was removed.

For the road it would be a nightmare. Suspect the battery would be dead fairly rapidly. Not a problem on a 20 minute track day session (and a couple of spare batteries for the day). Being fuel injected I suspect it will need a fair amount of power (mainly for the fuel pump).

All the best

Keith
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

What Keith said.

IMO It's not worth the hassle unless it's a good £1k less than the others.

You'd have to assume they've completely butchered the loom(unless it's a kit loom) and budget for a completely new one to eliminate niggly problems in a few months time.
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[MarJay]

[Smooth]

A mate of mine once had a Mk1 VW Jetta with a 'total loss' ignition system (ie. the battery kept discharging so he charged-up and swapped-in his Dad's Jag XJ6 battery). We didn't know about it until it wouldn't start 30 miles from home..... It turned out that the alternator was knackered.

Don't do it!
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[Paulington]

2007 Daytona: £5000 give or take.
This Daytona: £2200.

Plenty of saving, hence the looking at it, hence the reason of wondering how much it'd cost to revert to normal.
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[MarJay]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Find out what else has been done ( bits chopped off the frame will destroy the resale value), but at that price it could be worth it easily. However if it has been thrown down the track a few times then there might well be plenty of other damage.

All the best

Keith
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[Paulington]

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Is the bike in question, it has all lights fitted and it has a long MOT and Tax so I'm assuming they all work. . Has standard clocks and nothing is actually *missing* from the bike besides whatever they removed to make it total loss.

As for being thrown down the track, it may well have done but I can't see any form of damage from the pictures he has up, will inspect closer when I view it.

I will check all the numbers MarJay, thanks for the suggestion. As you said it's probably a TTC bike he's bought, stripped down for the track and just put it all back on to sell it. Second hand loom shouldn't too much.

Thanks for all the help. .
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CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[MarJay]

[Paulington]

[Bendy]

TTC bikes don't run total loss. That's against the rules.

HPI check it.

[Paulington]

[jay12329]

The 675 is a pig to run total loss. Most race bikes end up using a modified race generator so that they actually have enough juice to run a whole race.

If you get 30miles out of a battery you'll be lucky.

If you want to PM me the info on the bike I'll have a look for you, i've done quite a bit of work on these having owned one and spent 3 years with a race team running a pair. With lots of generator fun!

HTH
J

[jay12329]

You also mention its got a fair few mods, those pictures show a bog standard bike, with the original chain and sprockets. Only visible mod is a slightly smaller number plate.

J

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

An ex track bike on tyres like that? I'm not sure I believe it. Is the seller Nigerian?
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[Ste]

2006 TRIUMPH DAYTONA 675, 2006, private seller, 5289 miles, MoT Dec 10, tax Nov 10, For sale is my Triumph 675. This bike is fantastic and tricked up to the eyeballs with loads of upgrades listed below. The bike is 07 and I know the previous owner who I bought it from and it has had a very good life! It has been maintained to the highest standard with oil change after every outing. It kicks out about 133bhp (I have dyno sheets) It will happily run with the fast British Supersport riders with the right person riding. I have had the forks and Shock set up, racing at my weight 11.5 stone fully kitted the bike handles like a dream and is the best handling bike I have ever ridden. The power curve is the best it can be and has been mapped to getthe best out of the engine. It runs total loss ignition and has a new battery fitted. It has just been serviced and is ready to go race or trackday. This bike produces more power at the back wheel than a 2003 standard R1. £2200.00 ono, Chippenham.



Either the seller isn't very good at writing adverts or it's a scam.

[Smooth]

[Bendy]

If it was as great as he makes it sound (which I don't believe for a second) he wouldn't be flogging it as a £2200 roadbike.

If he actually knew what he was talking about, and had a bike with a knackered charging system, he'd be splitting it for parts and making more than £2200.

I doubt it even exists! Mega-scam.

[Ariel Badger]

+1 for HPI, why was it tracked in the first place, insurance write-off, nicked?
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