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Drax
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Last day to sign fuel duty petition Reply with quote

Don't know if this has already been posted but today is the last day to sign up to reverse the 2p duty imposed in January.

It's gone up to 115.9p a litre today!!!!! Evil or Very Mad

https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/DutyReduction/
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just signed!

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol prices go up. Deal with it.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I signed it a while ago... not that it'll do fuck all.
In fact, i'd like to know if any online petition in the history of the internet has ever changed government policy or made any difference to anything.
I'm betting it hasn't.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Petrol prices go up. Deal with it.


I agree to some extent but the bottom line is that the additonal 2p was to compensate for the drop in VAT from 17.5 to 15% Seeing as VAT's gone back up again the 2p should be subtracted.. It's about bloody right for labour.. They're certainly not getting my vote this time around (not that they did before.)
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ad_87 wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Petrol prices go up. Deal with it.


I agree to some extent but the bottom line is that the additonal 2p was to compensate for the drop in VAT from 17.5 to 15% Seeing as VAT's gone back up again the 2p should be subtracted.. It's about bloody right for labour.. They're certainly not getting my vote this time around (not that they did before.)


Nothing can be done about it though, so you just have to deal with it.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a huge petition recently by the RSPB to stop the illegal killing of birds of prey.

The killing of birds of prey is illegal (said so in the petition) so just what was the thing for?
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Last day to sign fuel duty petition Reply with quote

Drax wrote:
Don't know if this has already been posted but today is the last day to sign up to reverse the 2p duty imposed in January.

It's gone up to 115.9p a litre today!!!!! Evil or Very Mad

https://petitions.number10.gov.uk/DutyReduction/


And how many signed the road charging petition......


And the result was.....

What a waste of bandwidth.

Might as well piss in your tank.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like I chose the wrong week to buy a car with a 2.8 litre petrol engine Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Petrol prices go up. Deal with it.
+1.

We've seen a few threads like this, but fuck all is ever done, no fucker listens and they carry on 'earning' their millions well sending the country down the shitter.


You just gotta deal with it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit I didnt sign it! I hope it will all be ok?

When will people learn that the wheels will turn until something real happens, a few squiggles on a piece of A4 will never do anything as long as I have a hole in my arse!

We are the desperate consumers and they are the mega rich suppliers, as if they give a shit about anyones autograph!
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignoring the issues with this country and it's government won't change anything. Too many people just roll over.

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PostPosted: 23:43 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ad_87 wrote:
Not enough people stand up to the government in this country, ignoring the faults with this country and it's government won't change anything. Too many people just roll over.


Ok so we'll fight the power, we'll stand up to those corrupt immoral bastards by....


Signing a petition!

Geez. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 11 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Ad_87 wrote:
Not enough people stand up to the government in this country, ignoring the faults with this country and it's government won't change anything. Too many people just roll over.


Ok so we'll fight the power, we'll stand up to those corrupt immoral bastards by....


Signing a petition!


Geez. Rolling Eyes


I'd rather do something as small as that than roll over and do nothing like you.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironic.



Petitions are so they can read, and then simply 'laugh' how many people are willing to sign a redundant form, and roll over under the illusion they are sticking it to the man. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wont do a thing as they are putting it up 2.5p on the 1st april
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ad_87 wrote:


I'd rather do something as small as that than roll over and do nothing like you.


How do you know that I roll over and do nothing? Signing one of those number 10 petitions amounts to doing nothing. Its just a salve for the conscience so that you *think* you are doing something, however small. But lets face it, no actual person reads those petitions, least of all Gordon Brown.

If you want to do something, go and blockade a fuel depot or refuse to pay road tax or something like that.

Or alternatively join MAG, because they are the only people around who stick up for the rights of motorcyclists. The difference being, it actually costs money to defend riders rights, so it will cost you £20 for a years membership. This does far more than your e-signature on an e-petition can ever do.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Nothing can be done about it though, so you just have to deal with it.


This is the reason why nothing ever changes, sadly we all act like this and simply take it, if we did something about it things might change even just a little.

MarJay wrote:
Or alternatively join MAG, because they are the only people around who stick up for the rights of motorcyclists. The difference being, it actually costs money to defend riders rights, so it will cost you £20 for a years membership. This does far more than your e-signature on an e-petition can ever do.


I had a look around their website but couldn't really find this so I thought I'd ask, what have they done that is useful recently?
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Nothing can be done about it though, so you just have to deal with it.


This is the reason why nothing ever changes, sadly we all act like this and simply take it, if we did something about it things might change even just a little.


The only thing that has any result for change is direct action, remember the Poll Tax riots. Just signing an online petition wont, and never has done fuck all.
The trouble is we are just too... um... well British, and we like to grumble and moan but rarely are we militant enough to orchestrate real change.
The French have the right idea... put 1 Euro on a packet of Gitanes and the fuckers are burning sheep on the Champs Elysees.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:

I had a look around their website but couldn't really find this so I thought I'd ask, what have they done that is useful recently?


Campaigning against EVSC (Electronic vehicle speed limiting) on motorcycles

Campaigning against the new motorcycle test and highlighting the flaws to the Government

campaigning against the recently revived proposals for compulsory leg protectors on motorcycles

Responding to ludicrous suggestions for a ban on motorcycles.

The list is endless. No doubt there is some element of road tax/fuel duty campaigning going on in there somewhere.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gawd..... i didn't know the leg protectors fiasco was being brought up again. I remember that unbelievably stupid proposed legislation back in the 80's.
It is a fact though, that MAG are actively involved in lobbying goverment against any legislation that would be detrimemtal to our lifestyle.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that although most of you are right in saying that an online petition won't change anything, the reason is there's never enough people signing them.

The current one is the highest number of signatories to it, 153 thou or something, which is a lot of people, but still a relatively small percentage of the UK. If everyone who is pissed off with paying through the nose for fuel signed it - which is going to be a lot more than 153k - then it does two things; one is to let the government know that a serious amount of people are getting pissed, which *does* make a difference, and two it lets the protestors know that they have a lot of backing, which might then be mobilised in future, such as blockades and boycotts, etc.

I think Britain has pretty much lost its spine nowadays. We're losing our liberties every day in the name of the bogus war on terror, we're treated like imbeciles in the name of health and safety, the banks are taking our money and funneling to the elites, and we're taxed left right and centre through more and more dubious revenues like fuel tax.

And what do we do? Sigh, and say nothing can be done. And unfortunately that's exactly what happens. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As BanditJeff points out, at least the French still have the balls to actually do stuff when their government gets out of line, whereas here we're all too apathetic to do fuck all about anything important.

Just for the record, I signed it, whatever good it does or doesn't do. I also email my local MP at least once a week asking why the cost of fuel isn't reduced, not just in the interests of the motorist, but for the economy as well, as almost everything you buy is more and more expensive because it's had to travel to get to you.

It's not much, but there's at least one MP in the commons who knows how much this is grinding the average guy in the street (car/bike) down, and that's better than none.

tl:dr; We getting shafted more and more, and it's our fault because we're a nation of apolitical wimps.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
The problem is that although most of you are right in saying that an online petition won't change anything, the reason is there's never enough people signing them.

The current one is the highest number of signatories to it, 153 thou or something, which is a lot of people, but still a relatively small percentage of the UK. If everyone who is pissed off with paying through the nose for fuel signed it - which is going to be a lot more than 153k - then it does two things; one is to let the government know that a serious amount of people are getting pissed, which *does* make a difference, and two it lets the protestors know that they have a lot of backing, which might then be mobilised in future, such as blockades and boycotts, etc.

I think Britain has pretty much lost its spine nowadays. We're losing our liberties every day in the name of the bogus war on terror, we're treated like imbeciles in the name of health and safety, the banks are taking our money and funneling to the elites, and we're taxed left right and centre through more and more dubious revenues like fuel tax.

And what do we do? Sigh, and say nothing can be done. And unfortunately that's exactly what happens. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As BanditJeff points out, at least the French still have the balls to actually do stuff when their government gets out of line, whereas here we're all too apathetic to do fuck all about anything important.

Just for the record, I signed it, whatever good it does or doesn't do. I also email my local MP at least once a week asking why the cost of fuel isn't reduced, not just in the interests of the motorist, but for the economy as well, as almost everything you buy is more and more expensive because it's had to travel to get to you.

It's not much, but there's at least one MP in the commons who knows how much this is grinding the average guy in the street (car/bike) down, and that's better than none.

tl:dr; We getting shafted more and more, and it's our fault because we're a nation of apolitical wimps.


Exactly! People are unhappy yet they can't be bothered to do sod all about it, not even sign an online petition.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
The problem is that although most of you are right in saying that an online petition won't change anything, the reason is there's never enough people signing them.

The current one is the highest number of signatories to it, 153 thou or something, which is a lot of people, but still a relatively small percentage of the UK. If everyone who is pissed off with paying through the nose for fuel signed it - which is going to be a lot more than 153k - then it does two things; one is to let the government know that a serious amount of people are getting pissed, which *does* make a difference, and two it lets the protestors know that they have a lot of backing, which might then be mobilised in future, such as blockades and boycotts, etc.

1,811,424 people signed the road pricing petition.

Online petitions are never going to change anything and signing them is a waste of time.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if say 40 million people signed it though?
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