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StevenF
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Won't Start, Just Turns Over And Backfires - Fixed! :) Reply with quote

Went out and finally managed to get my exhaust fitted to my downpipes using a gasket I made from a can of Macaroni Cheese Laughing Anyway, tried to start my bike after it and it wouldn't start, it was turning over but just wouldn't fire up, then it sounded like it was backfiring Confused Battery got drained so I just fully charged it and same is happening - turning over but not firing up! I thought maybe I had flooded it with petrol, how long does this usually take to clear if this is the case?

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PostPosted: 15:01 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If all of the other electrics are working fine you could take out the spark plug (if easily done) to inspect or dry it / replace it?
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
If all of the other electrics are working fine you could take out the spark plug (if easily done) to inspect or dry it / replace it?


I don't have a spark plug wrench at the moment. I don't understand it was working fine the other day...
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the spark plug out and turn the engine over for a second, that will unflood it. Clean the plug and put it back in and it should work fine.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just leave it, it only takes a couple minutes to sort it's self out
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Just leave it, it only takes a couple minutes to sort it's self out


I left it for about half an hour and it's still doing the same. Pretty sure it's just flooded though...

Edit: Would turning the fuel tap off and trying to start it help? That way it wouldn't be adding any more fuel into the cylinders...
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why?
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Why?


I've been looking it up on google and a lot of people have had the same issues, i.e. turning over and backfiring and the problems seemed to be a flooded engine. Some removed the plug and dried them out and that seemed to work, but as I don't have a spark plug wrench I don't have that option.

As above, would turning the fuel tap off and turning it over help to remove the fuel?
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turning the fuel tap off will stop the fuel going to the carb. The float bowl on the carb will be full however and will contain enough fuel to run the engine at tickover for a minute or so. Turning the engine over with the starter for a minute or so may empty the float bowl but it might cost you a new starter motor.

Most probably it's fouled the plug from not running right and the fucked plug isn't igniting the stupidly rich mixture. leaning off the mixture through running out of fuel is only half solving the problem.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

when my nc23 did something very similar i left the bike with the fuel off, and charged the battery over night.

when i put the battery on and turned the fuel on 24hrs later it fired up first time Smile
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillingTZR wrote:
when my nc23 did something very similar i left the bike with the fuel off, and charged the battery over night.

when i put the battery on and turned the fuel on 24hrs later it fired up first time Smile


I'll give it a try tomorrow after work and hopefully that will happen to me! Drained the battery three times today trying to get it to work!
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find giving it a minute to settle and then giving it a good bump start normally works for me Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, in this situation I would normally use the massive hill next to my house to "bump" start it over about a quater of a mile of downhill.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went out to see what it was like today and it's doing the same. My brother tried to bump start it for me but it didn't go, how much speed do you need to bump it anyway? Maybe going too slow?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

StevenF wrote:


I've been looking it up on google and a lot of people have had the same issues, i.e. turning over and backfiring and the problems seemed to be a flooded engine.[/quote]

Could also be not enough fuel causing a lean pop, ignition timing not set correctly, faulty sparkplug, lack of valve clearances or blocked jets in the carbs.


Enjoy.

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weak battery and blocked air filter will cause poor starting or lack of.
If the bike has been stook for a long time then the fuel might have turned blocking the carbs but i doubt that, though it might be possible. With your poor starting you might of fouled the plugs in turn makin it hard work for yourself again.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:

Could also be not enough fuel causing a lean pop, ignition timing not set correctly, faulty sparkplug, lack of valve clearances or blocked jets in the carbs.


Enjoy.

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I'm absolutely raging! Thought it could be because there was very little fuel in the tank, went and put about 5L in, charged the battery a bit and still nothing - it turns over but will not start! I have no idea what could be causing this, all I've done since this happened it taken the end can off and back on again...

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Weak battery and blocked air filter will cause poor starting or lack of.
If the bike has been stook for a long time then the fuel might have turned blocking the carbs but i doubt that, though it might be possible. With your poor starting you might of fouled the plugs in turn makin it hard work for yourself again.


Battery seems to be ok once it's charged, even if it was the battery, it should've started when I tried to bump it.

I don't know what could've caused the air filter to get blocked so I don't think it will be that. Bike has only been sitting for about 1 week since it was last used.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

And after all of this you still haven't checked / changed the spark plug(s)?

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PostPosted: 20:08 - 27 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
And after all of this you still haven't checked / changed the spark plug(s)?

Laughing


I haven't had proper time to do that yet and need to get my hands on a spark plug wrench which hopefully I'll get tonight. I had a look and there's not much room for taking the leads out and removing the plugs, I can barely get my hands in to remove the leads!
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just about to inspect the spark plugs but I can't get the tool down to reach the plugs, do I need to remove the radiator to get to them (thus the side fairing as well?0

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the time, the tank and side pannels are the only things that need to be moved. Bolts are underneath the seat usually.

I just unbolt the tank and turn it sideways, making sure there's enough fuel hose and that the tank is stable.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stelmer wrote:
Most of the time, the tank and side pannels are the only things that need to be moved. Bolts are underneath the seat usually.

I just unbolt the tank and turn it sideways, making sure there's enough fuel hose and that the tank is stable.


I just loosened the tank off and had a look under it and the air box is right on top of where the sparks leads are, so I think I'll have to take the side fairings and radiator off... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

my F2 it was just the inspection covers on the fairing then reach in and undo the plugs.
Very fiddly but can be done
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:
my F2 it was just the inspection covers on the fairing then reach in and undo the plugs.
Very fiddly but can be done
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The plug removal tool I have is just a solid metal tube, so there isn't enough height to drop it down into the spark plug. I just removed the petrol tank and air box and still can't get the tool into them. Think it's going to be fairing and radiator next Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh...I had one of those and it was useless.

You want a proper socket like this or this for example. Obviously do check what size socket you need....

I brought one from Halfrauds which was deep and thin to fit down into the recess on my old ER5. The car alternative was too fat to fit.
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