oil change that went wrong!

[puremagic72]

Help pips, done an oil change on my gixxer 750, when i emptied the oil, felt a small bit of tension on the plug after just 1 turn, took it out, tried again, and again, eventually it done it, i was pretty carefull,but now i think i cross threaded the engine end, as it keeps turning and not really tightening.

I have done oil changes before, but this is the 1st problem i had.

Is there any way of making sure the oil does not leak out, maybe tape round the thread?

Thanks..i feel such a friggin noob now.

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[The Artist]

Oh dear, if you have cross threaded it and it won't tighten, you really need to get it helicoiled or retapped to a bigger size.

I advise you to go to a garage to get this done.

[el_oso]

so what is the problem?
the sump is leaking oil from the drain plug?

if so you will need to re-tap the thread before putting tape around it so that it bites your sump
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[Kickstart]

Hi

If it is just turning then next to nothing is holding it in. Anything like tape around the thread is a total bodge, and could quite easily result in the sump plug falling out (dumping oil just in front of the back wheel, so you might come off before the engine destroys itself).

Best to do as Allymoss says.

All the best

Keith
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[CaNsA]

As much as i hate to admit it,

Allymoss is right on this occasion.

Get it to a garage to get it sorted.

[The Artist]

[puremagic72]

Lol fella's.

Calm down calm down

Cant believe i was so carefull, the plug is very slightly dripping, maybe 1-2 drips per hr!

Yes i think it will have to be Helicoiled, is it pretty easy to do myself?

Or better off at the garage? Would it be expensive on average cost.

Thanks for your help !!

Baz.
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Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[MaybeGuy]

if you get it drilled and tapped. Take the sump off. For obvious reasons.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[puremagic72]

Now thats what i'm worried about, if i do this myself, obviously metal shavings will stay in the sump tray!

I take it it will have to be drilled and tapped for the helicoil to go in?

Thanks again for all your help,

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[Damon]

correct

Maybe you could take the sump off youself and give it to a garage to do for you? Shouldn't cost too much

[puremagic72]

Can it not be done if i ride it to garage(obviously with temp sealer on to get to garage) and them do it without taking it off?

Thanks,
Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[Damon]

yeah you could do that but it will end up being more expensive. Esepcially when they have to remove downpipes/ fairing etc to get to it.

You really don't want them to do it on the bike anyway as any metal swarf that results from the cutting of the new thread is no good floating about in your oil. Do it properly and take off the sump plate.

[supZ]

[puremagic72]

So its easy to take sump part off?

Thanks,

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[supZ]

well put it this way. i can get mine off in about 20mins and im certainly no mechanic.

i doubt yours will be much different to the cbr but all i have to do is a) fairing off b) unbolt exhaust and remove c) undo lots of bolts and pull sump off.

put simply... buy a haynes manual and follow the instructions. tada.
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[Pickledswede]

Just realised I've done this to my bike too. When I took the sump plug out there was a little spiral of metal in the thread, does this suggest the last person to change the oil tightened it too much and me taking the plug out just pulled it out, so it was destined to happen before I even started putting the plug back in?

Guess I will have to get this sorted before I ride the bike anymore? Should probably get the sump off tomorrow and then get a heli coil kit on monday.

Would people suggest heli coil or just re tapping and buying an over sized plug?

If I was to buy a heli coil how do I work out which kit I need? From looking at my Haynes manual taking the sump off seems to mean lots of new gaskets and o-rings etc. are these all musts or can I just reuse the old ones? Will the helicoil need to go a specific way, i.e. from inside the sump to outside or from outside to inside?

Sorry for all the questions! Absolute piss take, spent so much money on my bike recently, starter switch stopped working, then two new tyres followed by repairing crash damage. One thing after another!

[Cigaro]

Odd that you should post this as I've just had the sump plate on the GN helicoiled (I turned it the wrong way and stripped the threads), cost less than a tenner

[puremagic72]

Pickledswede, thats what mine looked like, small spiral of metal came out when i took the plug out!! Now just keeps turning.

I too am unsure what size kit to get...and if it can be done without taking the sump off!

Thanks,

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[puremagic72]

@TheBassJunky

Did you take it off yourself and took it to garage?

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[Cigaro]

I did. Just three bolts; really easy to remove. I did have the exhaust off already, mind.

There doesn't seem to be a gasket on mine - when I put it back on I'll use some liquid gasket just to be sure.

[Kickstart]

Hi

The GSXR11 sump screwed up 2 weeks ago (took the bolt out and it came out with a thread insert).

Sumps tend to be held on with a lot of small bolts which are only done up to a fairly low level of torque (about a dozen with the GSXR11). There will be a gasket between the sump and the cases and this will need to be replaced. The O rings you might get away without replacing. However make very sure that they are all back in position (entirely possible for one to be missing and to land up losing lots of oil pressure through the resulting leak inside the engine).

All the best

Keith
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[puremagic72]

Well...think i may have been very lucky, laying in bed last night thinking, if i put the old drain plug in, thinking that maybe the other one was shot(a long shot as ali casing v's steel plug), fitted it, went in straight away, poured new oil in, and no leak as of yet, will give it a couple of hrs just to check.

Is this a rarety when the plug go's and not the pan which is made of ali?

Thanks for all your help,

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.

[The Artist]

[Kickstart]

[puremagic72]

Yeah i understand what your saying, but its not bodged, it went in as a normal oil change, i am carefull, and i'll keep an eye on it.

I started the bike up a few times, it tightened up as normal, and not a hint as yet of a leak.

I wont go out on it unless i'm 100% sure its ok.

Thanks,

Baz.
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Make; cbr929cc blade Year; 2001
Gsxr 750 2000, alstare Corona, Current bike 1999 R6
(1) Kids in the back seat cause accidents; accidents in the back seat cause kids.