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PostPosted: 20:04 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Today I have been mostly... Reply with quote

...playing with a pop can stove. If I use an aluminium camping kettle instead of my stainless steel teapot, I can get half a pint boiled in 4:40 on 10ml of meths. As usual, I'm more fixated on economy than speed Smile

I'm going to have a bash at a side burner, but using the "roll-in" method of making the inner wall, like this :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82VZ5-No5k

Although I think I'm going to crush an awful lot of cans before I get something usable Smile
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you nick that kettle from Little Chef?

(Is it just me or is a metal kettle the most stupid idea ever?)
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, but that is actually costing you significantly more than had you done it with domestic gas/electricity!! Wink

p.s. whats with this everyone pinching my 'today I did do' tag line?!!? ... I knew it would catch on in the end!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Did you nick that kettle from Little Chef?


No officer - the wooden handle is far too posh for Little Chef Smile

I couldn't find one I liked at the motorway service stations, so bought one for 30p at a car boot sale.

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Cool, but that is actually costing you significantly more than had you done it with domestic gas/electricity!! Wink


Domestic gas/electricity is a bit awkward to carry on a bicycle around Belgium Smile
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:

Domestic gas/electricity is a bit awkward to carry on a bicycle around Belgium Smile


Ah, I see Laughing

In that case sir will be needing a Trangia, they are great!! where they are put away like Russian dolls, they are really compact and you can do ya beans too!! Very Happy:

https://www.peakwalker.co.uk/walking-item.asp?m=trangia&p=27+5+Stove&v=Wild+Day&s=Camping+Stoves+for+Walkers
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trangia FTW.

Only ever had a problem once with a Trangia, got a bit too messy at Glastonbury, lost all my stuff and had to clean it with a 3 day worn sock Sick
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trangia's are good, however it's always fun to experiment and have a go...

These can stoves are highly regarded in the ultralight hiking circles apparently, also so small and light often carried as a backup/emergency stove.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 01 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I have been mostly...

...putting out a small fire I started in the kitchen Shifty

I made a side burner from a single can complete with inner wall, and it was doing quite well until I knocked it over when taking the pot off, spreading burning meths all over the floor. Good job I had already presoaked a towel, "just in case" Smile

I will go up in the loft and harvest some fibre glass insulation for the Mk 4.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 01 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^Now where has that meths fire gone Shocked Laughing

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PostPosted: 20:45 - 01 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:47 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only twice. Any more than that and they take ages and the water gets cold Smile

I have a Trangia winging its way to me courtesy of Yen Powell (mucho grats), but since the wife is away and I still have my eyebrows, I had a bash at Stinkwheel's stove using a tin of sweetcorn. It's the same diameter as a pop can, but about an inch shorter and made from steel, rather than aluminium. This makes it a bit more sturdier, but may have an effect on the vapourising of the fuel - I'll have to wait to get some more cans before I can compare.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=71465

The bottom holes are about an inch up, meaning it can hold 30ml of meths max. This gives a 10 minute burn, which is enough to boil a pint of water, or one mug and fry some eggs Smile It's not particularly windy in my kitchen (although the tile floor is freezing and there's a nice draught coming in from under the dishwasher) but it'll be better with a windshield using it in the great outdoors. When the rain stops for long enough I'll move out into the garden for some decent testing, in the meantime I'll carry on scaring the cat in the name of science Smile
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have just turbo charged this idea!! Laughing

Video to come!! Cool

EDIT: vid is now done ... but so as I don't pollute this thread further, look here!! https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2466585 Thumbs Up


https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=71468
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Only twice. Any more than that and they take ages and the water gets cold Smile


My old man used to get 3 or 4. Now he just leaves it in his cup to stew.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this thread, 'tis made of the purest win. Thumbs Up

Not only do we have slightly dangerous budget cooking methods shown in great detail but with the added danger of using them indoors...

Made my evening. Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green

/am pretty jealous as I haven't messed about with fire for years. Sad Sad Plus I want to attend some rallies this year so how will I make tea.......???
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Not only do we have slightly dangerous budget cooking methods shown in great detail but with the added danger of using them indoors...


Next stage is finding a setup that can be used inside a one man tent. Carbon Monoxide? Bah!
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this. It's long, but you can fast forward to 7:00 - all you miss is the stove going out 4 or 5 times and the guy adding yet more fuel. And drinking more beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaKz6f-l9Ro

It's why I keep a wet towel handy and not a fire extinguisher Smile
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 04 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Next stage is finding a setup that can be used inside a one man tent. Carbon Monoxide? Bah!


https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/teagel_1.jpg

So, take one small can of beans, eat the contents, cut a window in the side at the bottom, fold in some tabs, get a tealight, throw away the candle and keep the aluminium tray, gloop in some Tesco value hand sanitiser, put it inside the bean can, fill any old empty soda can with a mug of water, put the soda can into the bean tin so it's resting on the tabs, light the gel.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/teagel_2.jpg

7 minutes later, you can have a coffee. Doesn't do a rolling boil so won't sterilise pond water, but it's more than hot enough to scald myself with it, and it won't spread like meths does if you knock it over. Doesn't burn with any smoke, doesn't leave any residue on the can, just some nice smelling sticky gloop in the bottom of the tealight tray.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 04 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice!
i normally take a hexamine burner camping, this might be a good way of extending their lives.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 04 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably get a more consistant burn from these gel firestarters :-

https://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/greenheat-gel-firestarter
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't get carbon monoxide from a blue flame. The main risk is setting yourself on fire. Remembering that water (such as that contained in the pot on top of the stove) WILL extinguish burning alcohol is a good plan.

Another thing to try is insulating the stove from the ground. This can make a huge difference.

The most efficient one I've made to-date is the good old penny stove which is perfectly capable of achieving a full rolling boil. They do not spill easily either. I've been using the same one for over 12 months now and I took nothing else to cook with on a 3 day backpacking treck with the girlfriend. I took 500ml of meths and still had a good 100ml left when I got home
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/pennystove2.png

I did also make a micro-penny stove using red bull cans. This took a while to boil but only uses 22ml of meths to boil my mug of water. You do need to prime it a little to start with though (like with 2 drops on a piece of tinfoil under the stove).
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/Image050.jpg

You need to take care with wind deflectors. I find them problematic with the pressurised and semi-pressurised ones. If it reflects too much heat back, it starts to go into a positive feedback priming cycle and before you know it, you have a flame thrower on your hands.

Apparently those flat capilliary ones made of bean can lids are ultra efficient but they are a fanny to keep going.

Also. I win the nerdy camping stove competition. Mine is super hot, runs on petrol, self-pressurises and is utterly terrifying to light the first few times you try because you have to prime it while holding it in your hand.
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Just found this. It's long, but you can fast forward to 7:00 - all you miss is the stove going out 4 or 5 times and the guy adding yet more fuel. And drinking more beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaKz6f-l9Ro

It's why I keep a wet towel handy and not a fire extinguisher Smile


What the hell was that idiot doing?

It's not like it was in any way out of control, it would have run out of fuel and gone out if he'd left it another minute.

It would also have gone out with about half a cup of water. Meths is hydroscopic (it actively absorbs water) and once it drops to much below 40% alcohol, it wont burn.

Stoopid 'merkins.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 05 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in love.

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