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PostPosted: 15:24 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Scared the shit out of me! Reply with quote

Nice weather so been on the bike loads!

Got my knee down properly on the R6 yesterday and was all full of confidence today.

Anyway, today all was well but had one major tank slapper!

I am used to the front wobbling around under acceleration, but holy crap I shit myself today. Not sure exactly how it happened but was accelerating pretty hard, nothing OTT and the front started shaking around really really violently. It felt like the bars were locking from side to side. I was very very close to just losing it, but managed to straighten it out.

So yeah nice story, but wanted to ask whats the best way to handle this sort of situation? Wrestle the bike back to straighten up? Power out of it?

I tried to be really light on the bars and hope it sorted itself out! I had shut off the throttle though.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power out of it's the best way. If you put more weight onto it by shutting off it makes them more violent. Loose arms are also good.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a real life scenario I've never been able to "power" through a tank slapper, instinct is too much and always end up shuttong off the throttle (Apart from when I was racing my sv650 with incorrectly setup front suspension and it would tank slap at the same point on the track every lap Razz).

Probably caused by a bump in the road at the wrong time Doh!
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke wrote:
In a real life scenario I've never been able to "power" through a tank slapper,


Me neither, usually because it's trying to break my wrists and I've been trying not to let any poo out. That's the theory though. More power to reduce the slapping.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

weathers good but still gotta be careful..

i had a great blast after work on tuesday but coming home after dark on some country roads i braked into a corner, hit some gravel that i couldnt see... locked the back wheel, that stepped out, i ended up virtually powersliding round the corner and managed to straighten her back up and carry on shiny side up.. boy that woke me up!!

so yeh, roads and weather is nice but theres still lots of crap on the roads still so keep your wits about you guys Smile
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: Scared the shit out of me! Reply with quote

Matt06 wrote:
I am used to the front wobbling around under acceleration.


Perhaps you need to look at why its doing that.

Many things could be the cause.

Knackered head bearing.
Front tyre got odd wear.
Too much weight at the rear of the bike.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grip the tank harder with your legs, somewhat reduce your grip on the bars, keep a neutral throttle, if anything slightly accelerating, hope it corrects it's self.

Had that once going under the hangar lane underpass on the A40, proper went into a tank slapper, somehow i kept it upwright, as soon as i realised i was okay i stood up on the pegs no handed and did a kind of victory fist pump in the air in disbelief combined with a big WOOOHOOOOOO Razz
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

fit a steering damper?
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is this Tank Slapping Phenomenon you guys speak of? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 08 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
fit a steering damper?


This is what I would do as well Thumbs Up ..could work out cheaper than a trip to A&E

Tankslappers... fucking horrible things....
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt were you pulled up at the North Worcester roundabout at about midday yesterday? If so I was on the back of the Black Fireblade that passed you, was this tank slapper before or after?
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found I had the same thing the first time I got a supermoto, in 3rd, it'd lighten the front and because I was being ham fisted and wrenching on the throttle, it was lifting the front and I was pulling on the rhs bar, meaning the wheel wasn't straight as it came up 2 inches off the ground, then landing not quite straight.

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PostPosted: 14:14 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
Best way to deal with it...? Stop being a fair weather tit?


So yeah, I rode my bike all through winter. Fail.

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
Matt were you pulled up at the North Worcester roundabout at about midday yesterday? If so I was on the back of the Black Fireblade that passed you, was this tank slapper before or after?


Yeah, was most likely me! I pull in there to take a piss sometimes and the roundabout is good for KD.

Tank slapper was before I pulled in. Somehow the sensitivity of my front brake altered, so I pulled in there to take a piss and change it back!
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh I thought so, you did look a bit startled you see.. Glad to hear you kept it together though, a big one especially.
The most ferocious that I've experienced was upon landing after cresting a bridge in fladbury, probably about 65~75 mph..
Crap hesitant takeoff and a dodgy return to earth,
don't really know how I managed it but even that was scarey enough.

I don't really know where I'd go from here but if I'd experienced such under acceleration then I too might consider installing a steering damper.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Power out of it's the best way. If you put more weight onto it by shutting off it makes them more violent. Loose arms are also good.


This is what i have heard also !

But shitten 'ell Matt Shocked Where did this happen?

Maybe install a steering damper ? Razz
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 09 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
Ahh I thought so, you did look a bit startled you see.. Glad to hear you kept it together though, a big one especially.
The most ferocious that I've experienced was upon landing after cresting a bridge in fladbury, probably about 65~75 mph..
Crap hesitant takeoff and a dodgy return to earth,
don't really know how I managed it but even that was scarey enough.

I don't really know where I'd go from here but if I'd experienced such under acceleration then I too might consider installing a steering damper.


Yeah, shit me up for a bit!

I'll have to look at getting one I suppose Sad
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 10 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure mate FIT A DAMPER, this is normally a problem for thou's but if your well over and give it plenty tank slappers can occur,

I have known of one near me that kicked back at really low speed and broke his wrist. However not so much a slapper as probably more a pothole, but yes loose on the arms and power if you can cos as its been mentioned your instincts will just wanna stop the bike.

Just stick to the rule... Slow in fast out, but keep the power gentle will reduce chance of slappers.

As for being called a "fair weather tit" just cos you had a "tank slapper", well doesnt say much about the mental capacity of some folk. give THAT the attention it deserves ... NONE !

Stay safe.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 11 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got an 08 R6 im pretty similer, had the occasional tank slapper with it, but there was this one time when it was realy violent, Just like you described. When it happened to me i just tigthen my knees up keep on the power.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit a damper,i had a couple on the Blade and there was no way you could control it,felt like my wrists were broken when it stopped.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 11 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't got a steering damper then a bit of back brake is the way to get out of it.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 11 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It happens mostly when the front goes light and it's just skimming over the surface then hits an uneven surface. Easiest thing is to not accelerate so hard Cool

I actually managed to get a tank slapper on video from a trackday I did last year. Hurt my shoulder and even my leg Shocked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4G16D9GR7A
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 12 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
Best way to deal with it...? Stop being a fair weather tit?


Or perhaps you just ride like a fanny. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 12 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the R6 09 not have a damper by default?

My RR7 has one on as stock. Has been quite handy, when i had the 03 I had a couple on that.

Had a couple of moments on the 07 where it's sort of bounced the front under hard acceleration and not really done much.

They're definatly worth having if you like accelerating to the point of most of the weight being on the back of the back.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 12 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbieguy2003 wrote:
Does the R6 09 not have a damper by default?

My RR7 has one on as stock. Has been quite handy, when i had the 03 I had a couple on that.

Had a couple of moments on the 07 where it's sort of bounced the front under hard acceleration and not really done much.

They're definatly worth having if you like accelerating to the point of most of the weight being on the back of the back.


I don't think so no. The one on the 600RR's actually quite clever for road use in that it's electronic, so the faster you go the more resistance it gives.
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