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X9-rider
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 01 May 2010    Post subject: Honda CG125-BR 1990 ( Smokes ) ??? Reply with quote

Hello

Would like some advice, my Honda CG125-BR smokes when decelerating or slowing down, never notice it my self till another biker mate following me told me.

Can advice on weather this is normal or what making the CG125-BR Do this ?

Thanks

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PostPosted: 23:42 - 01 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil control Rings and Valve guide are worn.

How many miles?

Do you whip the shit out it at all times? Keep the throttle pinned back?

These engines are bullet proof in normal use.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 01 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to keep up with my mate over last few days on his bike ( GSX650F ) i kept the bike at 55-60mph that means full throttle yes. And trying to get to 60mph quick as possible, so we can make ground.

Millage : 26,899Miles

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Oil control Rings and Valve guide are worn.


Is this a cheap fix ?

Also while Buddie following me, said he is sure a few times he seen blue in the smoke ?
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your oil levels immediately. Take out the dip stick, clean it, put it back in and make sure it's within range when you look at it. If you're burning oil eventually the piston won't be lubricated enough and you will screw up everything.

You need a top end rebuild I suppose. Providing no damage has actually been done from lack of oil you need to take the top of the engine off and replace the piston rings and or the piston its self. Might want to get some gaskets to do it as well. It's not that expensive if you can do it yourself or find someone else to do it.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our CG makes 70 (Confirmed on with my GPS) but it's not good for the engine.
60 should be ok though.

26000 is not excessive but it depends on how the engine has been treated through this life.
Hammering when cold, late oil changes, over speeding the engine (changing down too early) and a host of other abusive practices can cause premature wear.

How long have you had the bike?

Get the engine warm, carefully remove the oil dip stick, there should be a bit of smoke/vapour/gas pressure comes out of the hole, but it should not be howling out.
If it is that is a sign of Back Pressure.

It is an expensive repair. Unless you know ho to strip and rebuild an engine.
But you can get a used engine on ebay or somewhere. May be a cheaper/easier option if your engine is gubbed.

Best take it to a bike shop for a proper mechanic to look at. (Maybe several shops and get a better price range.)

Example of a decent engine. Some are maybe no better than wot u got.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LOOK-HONDA-CG-125-CG125-CG125-4-2004-ENGINE-7000-MILES-/190393142332?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c5450cc3c#ht_1295wt_1165
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

before you invest in a top end rebuild, is it black or blue smoke?

Blueish smoke is oil. black smoke is rich running.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Smoking Reply with quote

I would go with the Oil control Rings and Valve guide are worn. It is a common issue on these bikes anyway after a while.

Check the mixture first though before doing the above. Any good mechanic will do the aovr in an hour so not too expensive to be done.

A compresion check would determine the valve guides
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The oil is fully topped up as i did this in soon after i got it, 40/10 oil. So lack of oil is not a problem.

The smoke at start had a blue -ist color now its just clear/white smoke when slowing down like what u see coming out of the exhaust when its cold weather from cars.

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PostPosted: 15:13 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the smoke is bluish I would say that even though your oil was fine when you topped it up, that doesn't mean it's going to be ok now.

That was a very ambiguous post, does that mean you've actually checked your oil level with your dip stick or that your assuming it's fine because it was fine the last time you topped it up?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Smoking Reply with quote

plazydays wrote:
I would go with the Oil control Rings and Valve guide are worn. It is a common issue on these bikes anyway after a while.

Check the mixture first though before doing the above. Any good mechanic will do the aovr in an hour so not too expensive to be done.

A compression check would determine the valve guides


A 'compression test', performed correctly, will determine the condition of sealing at piston rings and valve seats only.

Oil in the exhaust will be noticed mainly on the 'over run' which is when you close the throttle and you and the bike's combined mass continue rolling on along the road. What happens is the engine continues to demand air flow but since you have closed the throttle flap the engine will pull air for where ever it can.
It can pull air up through worn/damaged engine components, i.e. past worn piston rings/cylinder bore from the crank case or down through worn valve stems/guides. Air from these areas contains a mist of oil. It it this mist of oil your mucker will see as blue haze and stench when running behind you.
If you are getting oil in the exhaust all the time then you have a gubbed engine or the oil level is way too high. Too much oil means the pistons pick up more oil than the oil control ring can control. It bypasses the oil control ring to the combustion space. This is then burned off by the combustion process. A quick fix is to drain some oil off. Hopefully there is no damage.

You would need to carry out a 'gas leakage test' which will/can assist in determining if there is leakage past valve seats, piston rings (and guides if you are lucky).

Someone has kindly done it for me here:

https://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorcycle/text/leakdown.html

A 'gas leakage test' uses low pressure compressed air so you would need a regulator to provide pressure of no more than 80PSI

This air is introduced into the combustion space via the spark plug hole.
Turn the engine over until all valves are closed.
You then have to put your ear to the Inlet Manifold, the exhaust, the dip stick hole.

You will hear Ssssssssss or Shhhhhhhh from the area that is leaking.

To check the guides is a bit more involved. And would require much less air pressure so there is no damage to seals or housings.
You would need to plug the inlet manifold and exhaust pipe and crankcase then position the crank to a valves open state. This will force air against the guides. You will need to find somewhere on the rocker box/top cover that will let you hear any air bypassing the seats.
I think there is one lip type oil seal on the exhaust valve guide.
But that is a complex procedure most amateurs would possibly not bother with.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That was a very ambiguous post, does that mean you've actually checked your oil level with your dip stick or that your assuming it's fine because it was fine the last time you topped it up?


Check the oil when i brought it and was bit low so filled up to the correct level, and there it has stayed for the last week.

Walloper Thats for taking your time to post that, it was an interesting read, for me anyways.

I wont have this CG125-Br for long, as i only got this bike to do my test on.

So don't think its worth spending money on or working on an engine and fucking it up. So if i don't know what iam doing best leave it alone i think.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you're going to have a 4 stroke 2 stroke for a while then Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Honda CG 125 only cost me 385 pounds fully taxed and mot'ed.

And only got it to learn on and do my manual Test.

As long as it last a few months it should be ok. only thing i wanna spend money on is doing oil service and keep oil change every 2,000 miles.

So far i have Tightened and oiled up the chain, cleaned electrical connectors, added some redX to the petrol to clean the fule sytem out.

Toke Back wheel of and lined it up propa as it was out of aliment.

Mite have a valve serivce and suft if i pass test on it and wana keep it as a 2nd back for work
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 02 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG's are fantastically cheap but at the risk of sounding like a broken record:

If it's visibly burning oil then the amount of oil in there will not last 2000 miles. Think about it.

And then you'll have a CG that's worth absolutely nothing. Your plan is a good one but check the oil levels more often and everything should be absolutely fine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 03 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

checked again and oil leave still normal.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 03 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

X9Travels wrote:
added some redX to the petrol to clean the fule sytem out.


Redex will cause the bike to smoke.

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PostPosted: 15:01 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, will it clean out the system tho ?
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i wer u id get new mates. bein told your bikes smoking not good esspecially from som1 u like
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

I don't quite understand that comment ?

Explain ?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think cloric_tzr is trying to say that the friend who told you that there is smoke coming out of your exhaust is not a very good friend for telling you because it's not a nice thing to hear.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
I think cloric_tzr is trying to say that the friend who told you that there is smoke coming out of your exhaust is not a very good friend for telling you because it's not a nice thing to hear.


correct Mr. Green
not very helpful but you no. . .
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well before i go any further, i don't have a sense of humor.

The guy that told me is my best mate ( biker mate ) i assume smoke is bad coming out of the bikes exhaust. but why would that make him a bad mate for informing me of something the bike shouldn't be doing ?

If it s a joke thing, sorry i don't have much of a sense of humor.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing it was a joke however i can apreciate u not necaserily finding it funny BUT.
i do have to pick up on 1 thing

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i assume smoke is bad coming out of the bikes exhaust
Mr. Green


seriously what do you think the fumes are coming out of your exhaust? steam Laughing
cause that would be bad
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry guys my sense of humor dyed up a long time ago, long story!
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 04 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

X9Travels wrote:
Sorry guys my sense of humor dyed up a long time ago, long story!


didnt have anything to do with a woman did it? Neutral
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