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Misc
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: What type of wiring for electrial job on bikes? Reply with quote

Evening,

As above, i have loads of wiring left over from installing speakers/amps in a car but wondering if it's fine to use with electrical jobs like alarms/headlights/horn etc etc.

If not, what should i be after? I'm using a inline fuse with 8AWG wire as standard so would want to extend this with equal thickness.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be of some use:

https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/cable/standardcable.php
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bru wrote:


Nice one, thank you.

Can i use one type of wire for everything i.e ground, positive, negative etc?
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In general you should allow 1 square mm of conductor area for each amp of current that the wire will be carrying.

from Ohms law current(Amps) = Voltage/resistance(Ohms)

power = voltage x current

or current(Amps) = Power (watts rms)/Voltage

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example a 50 watt lamp supplied by a 12v supply.

Current = 50/12 =about 4.2 amps use wire that has a cross sectional area of more than 4 square mm.

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When I use wire for a bike I always buy multi strand wire the finer the strands the more flexible the wire is. The greater the number of strands the better.

For most general wiring I use 32 strand 0.2 tin coated wire. That will handle about 6 amps or 72 watts.

the tin coating helps to prevent corrosion of the copper and costs very little extra.

The link provided by Bru, is for a very good dealer, but you could also try Maplin, RS components, Farnell, or CPS, all on the net
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:

Can i use one type of wire for everything i.e ground, positive, negative etc?


No reason why not as long as it can cope with the current. Just make sure the colour code makes sense to you.

I have a couple of looms that were given to me that I use for the majority of wiring, the rest comes from Maplins.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: What type of wiring for electrial job on bikes? Reply with quote

First time I got on the road on the zx9 I effectively made the entire road lighting and horn system from speaker wire!
I've also often been known to use random 240v power leads from dead appliances - the zx9 I seem to remember actually had a kettle lead with plug and socket for the rear lights at one point.
Similarly for wire from dead computer power supplies - and the zx9 still has it's indicators plugged in with the standard four connection connectors they use!
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: What type of wiring for electrial job on bikes? Reply with quote

G wrote:
First time I got on the road on the zx9 I effectively made the entire road lighting and horn system from speaker wire!
I've also often been known to use random 240v power leads from dead appliances - the zx9 I seem to remember actually had a kettle lead with plug and socket for the rear lights at one point.
Similarly for wire from dead computer power supplies - and the zx9 still has it's indicators plugged in with the standard four connection connectors they use!


LOL, this sounds familiar to me too!! Thumbs Up Wink

The old GPZ had a combination of PC, Maplins and mains wiring / connectors, and never had any wiring problems with it. (My father [R.I.P.] was a retired qualified electrician, so I was able to double-check the safety of what I was doing).
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant guys. Thank you all. Makes much more sense now.

There isn't anything wrong with using thicker wire then you need tho, i.e a 1 inch thick wire for a single indicator?

tzr.steve: When you said about a " 50/12 =about 4.2 amps, use wire that has a cross sectional area of more than 4 square mm. " I'm a bit confused because on the VWP website a 4.5mm2 wire would be 35amps.

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PostPosted: 15:40 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzr.steve wrote:
In general you should allow 1 square mm of conductor area for each amp of current that the wire will be carrying.


I don't know who told you that pal but there wrong or else you would have 40mm cables supplying your cooker in your house (if it was off a 40 amp breaker which they normally are now). There is a equation for working it you want to do it properly but its a bit long winded. But its always best to oversize cables and undersize fuses then the other way around.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
tzr.steve wrote:
In general you should allow 1 square mm of conductor area for each amp of current that the wire will be carrying.


I don't know who told you that pal but there wrong or else you would have 40mm cables supplying your cooker in your house (if it was off a 40 amp breaker which they normally are now). There is a equation for working it you want to do it properly but its a bit long winded. But its always best to oversize cables and undersize fuses then the other way around.


read my post again 50 watts / 12 volts
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzr.steve wrote:

read my post again 50 watts / 12 volts


1mm cable can take over 4 amps though so i don't see the point of using 4mm cable.
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PostPosted: 05:42 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="nick606"]
tzr.steve wrote:

read my post again 50 watts / 12 volts


1mm cable can take over 4 amps though so i don't see the point of using 4mm cable.[/quote
as an example using a 50 watt load with a 12 volt supply

current = power / volts
=50/12 = 4.2 amps

as 1mm cable can handle about 10 amps the cable size would need to be 0.42 mm csa to handle 50 watts

32 strands of 0.2 can handle 70 watts on a 12 volt supply
or 35 watts on a 6 volt supply


obviously my first post had an error in it of 1 decimal point. and of course 4mm on a 240 volt supply would be more suited to wiring a kitchen.
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