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PostPosted: 19:01 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Worlds first production electric bike Reply with quote

'81bhp and has 77ftlb of torque' Thinking

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides--tests/2010/May/may0510-mcn-rides-worlds-first-production-electric-superbike/?WT.dcsvid=SilverpopMailing&WT.mc_id=MCN%20Newsletter%2011may2010%20%281%29
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh?
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TTX02 ships with a built in web server that is integrated with the management system. You can log in remotely over the web or locally via your PC or phone for access to all motor parameters and configuration.


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PostPosted: 19:32 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Worlds first production electric bike Reply with quote

Note that it's the first 'superbike', far from the first production electric bike.
£26k or so for a 'race' one it seems.
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--racing-news/mavizen-ships-first-ttx02-racer-to-usa/11278.html

110kg without batteries - which oddly enough are by far the heaviest element in the bike Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does it sound like an RC car then? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it means "81bhp all the time".
As long as it is fast I don't care what it runs on. Coal, wood, petrol, battery...
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh, I like the sound of IL4's. Which the battery won't do.

And house in KTM chassis and fairing? Why? Could they not make their own?
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

as nice an idea electric bikes are, unless you can charge them in less than 2minutes no ones going to buy one.

you have to step forward not backward and a vehicle that can only do 150 ish miles than requires 2 or more hours to recharge is a step backwards.

plus.. where does everyone think the electricity comes from Wink

not only that but the batteries are terrible things. cant be recycled (as far as i've been told) so will end up in landfill with all those chemicals seeping into the ground.. nice

hardly 'green'

oh if only they could invest a bit more in hydrogen fuel cell tech and storeage. now that is a green solution thats worthwhile.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a milk float, I hope they never make it to the show rooms. Sick
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:

And house in KTM chassis and fairing? Why? Could they not make their own?


Probaby easier to get it registered plus I imagine alot of research and money has to go into a gettting the geometry of a frame right, money a company trying to break into electric bike probably doesn't have.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair.


It's still shit though Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
as nice an idea electric bikes are, unless you can charge them in less than 2minutes no ones going to buy one.

you have to step forward not backward and a vehicle that can only do 150 ish miles than requires 2 or more hours to recharge is a step backwards.

plus.. where does everyone think the electricity comes from Wink

not only that but the batteries are terrible things. cant be recycled (as far as i've been told) so will end up in landfill with all those chemicals seeping into the ground.. nice

hardly 'green'

oh if only they could invest a bit more in hydrogen fuel cell tech and storeage. now that is a green solution thats worthwhile.


it is alot easier to control the amount of emission from one large set point(i.e.power station) than it is millions of moving vehicles.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Worlds first production electric bike Reply with quote

G wrote:

110kg without batteries - which oddly enough are by far the heaviest element in the bike Rolling Eyes.


Bit like saying my CBR is 110kg without an engine (prob wouldn't be far off actually Mr. Green ).
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Worlds first production electric bike Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:


Bit like saying my CBR is 110kg without an engine (prob wouldn't be far off actually Mr. Green ).


While an engine is heavy, it also produces a lot of power. While the batteries needed to make taht power is probably heavier.... I think Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Worlds first production electric bike Reply with quote

The basic electric engine is very simple. But the energy storage mechanism is very inefficient in regards to space/weight.
An ICE is relatively complex, but the fuels they use are much more efficient as far as space/weight needed.

I'm presuming a lot of the £26k has gone towards lipo batteries; otherwise there doesn't seem a massive amount to justify the price.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
oh if only they could invest a bit more in hydrogen fuel cell tech and storeage. now that is a green solution thats worthwhile.


Still not very green as the energy to produce that hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and generally, that means burning stuff.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:34 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRpMV-Gf0hA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlUkA_Hmsrs

I plan to build my own at some point next year, possibly with a deisel generator / engine and a hybrid electric turbo. It's not going to be cheap and chances of electrocution is worryingly high Confused
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
supZ wrote:
oh if only they could invest a bit more in hydrogen fuel cell tech and storeage. now that is a green solution thats worthwhile.


Still not very green as the energy to produce that hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and generally, that means burning stuff.


For those that don't know, hydrogen can be produced fairly easily by using distilled water and electricity or can be produced from smoldering just about anything that burns.

The last "bang goes the theory" episode (probably still on iPlayer) had a car that ran on coffee beans that they drove from London to Manchester. Heat was added which caused them not to burn but to be hot enough to release carbon monoxide and hydrogen. This hydrogen is what would normally cause the visible flame if a spark was added and they were actually on fire. Anyway, the hydrogen in this case was pumped in to a normal internal combustion engine to be used directly as fuel. In fact, it mentions that after WW2 this is how many vehicles were run in the shortage of other fuels, except they used wood not coffee beans.

The main problem with the smoldering method though is the fuel that is required to create the heat in the first place. Heat is a very inefficient way of initiating a process that creates electricity or stored energy. As such, I strongly dislike coal power plants.

With a fuel cell though the hydrogen is combined with oxygen again in a process which produces just about as much electricity as it would have taken to spit the water molecules in the first place. This distilled water can then be re-captured and be turned back in to hydrogen with the electricity generated from things like regenerative braking and other such KERS systems found in these vehicles.

Using electricity from renewable power sources or even nuclear power to create hydrogen though is definitely the best way forward as the energy is then stored to be used at any time and doesn't have to be used immediately (as it is on the national power grid for example). It also negates the need for batteries which are not cheap, environmentally friendly and have many failings.

So basically, as I've said before on these forums, if we just mass produce hydrogen on a massively distributed scale and from nuclear power I think we'll be set forever.
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conventional energy (petrol etc):

Pollution comes out the back of cars & bikes, so catalytic converters etc are needed for every car. These are expensive and heavy reducing efficiency.

Heavy fuel source is taken with you requiring the use of fuel.

Improvements in efficiency must be applied to every vehicle.

Electrical power:

Energy can be generated in a small number of locations that can have efficiency improvements made to it whenever. Pollution can be reduced greatly at these sites by using carbon capture etc.

Not limited to a single energy source.

Taking energy with you is in some cases optional. e.g. overhead power cables, 3rd rail etc for trains.

Currently the only thing limiting the use of electric vehicles is how shit batteries are. This is also something that isn't likely to improve much in the next 20-30 years. Hydrogen fuel cells are a viable alternative as the process becomes:

Energy source -> Power plant -> Electric -> hydrogen which gets stored in the vehicle -> electric power for vehicle.

Yes that is all still dependent upon a power source, but it is not limited to any single power source meaning we can use oil and coal whilst it lasts, then swap to solar, wind, nuclear without having to make everybody int he world buy a new car.
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PostPosted: 02:46 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 05:23 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they manage to get extremely high capacity batteries, or small high output hydrogen cells going and we go electric the will loud exhaust chavs will be putting speakers on to play annoying loud noises instead?
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PostPosted: 05:27 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They fit noise generators to some electric vehicles as their silent operation is very dangerous to pedestrians and sometimes other road users anyway.
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