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Newbiker0507
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Spraying my bike Matte black Reply with quote

Hi guys, I have a Honda CG125 that I want to spray Matte black. It's currently Red.

What do I need to do?
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends how ratty you want it to look.

Sand the existing paint to a rough finish, then clean it thoroughly.

Let it dry off then you can apply paint of choice. Hammerite BBQ paint is a hard wearing finish.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Spraying my bike Matte black Reply with quote

Newbiker0507 wrote:

What do I need to do?


Paint it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

firstly - dont!! lol


if you want to do it properly wet and dry paper it all down (parts you want to paint)

2 coats of primer
light rub down when dry

2 coats of paint
wet sand it down

now if you want a hard finish your best of laquering it - however you will have to get a matt or satin finish laquer so as not to make the bike shiney again.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

zombie_dave wrote:
firstly - dont!! lol


if you want to do it properly wet and dry paper it all down (parts you want to paint)

2 coats of primer
light rub down when dry

2 coats of paint
wet sand it down

now if you want a hard finish your best of laquering it - however you will have to get a matt or satin finish laquer so as not to make the bike shiney again.


If he wanted to 'do it properly' I doubt he would be doing it matt black!! Laughing

Just rub it down a bit as Temeluchus says.

Remember to mask off any bits you don't want overspray on Wink
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
zombie_dave wrote:
firstly - dont!! lol


if you want to do it properly wet and dry paper it all down (parts you want to paint)

2 coats of primer
light rub down when dry

2 coats of paint
wet sand it down

now if you want a hard finish your best of laquering it - however you will have to get a matt or satin finish laquer so as not to make the bike shiney again.


If he wanted to 'do it properly' I doubt he would be doing it matt black!! Laughing

Just rub it down a bit as Temeluchus says.

Remember to mask off any bits you don't want overspray on Wink


LMAO fair point!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The secret to a professional high gloss finish is to paint the thing with matt BBQ paint, then paint laquer over it.

Saves all that retarded effort painting GLOSS paint on then sanding it to a matt finish for the laquer.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the fascination with matt black?
I say buy some testers, and get creative ina Jackson Pollock stylee. Lacquer. Thumbs Up

Be different.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
What is the fascination with matt black?
I say buy some testers, and get creative ina Jackson Pollock stylee. Lacquer. Thumbs Up

Be different.


Well is not the whole Idea of Painting the bike black to be 'Different'?

Like getting a tattoo or a piercing? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
What is the fascination with matt black?
I say buy some testers, and get creative ina Jackson Pollock stylee. Lacquer. Thumbs Up

Be different.


Well is not the whole Idea of Painting the bike black to be 'Different'?

Like getting a tattoo or a piercing? Laughing


in my opinion matt black on bikes and chav cars is becoming common place these days (round my way anyhow) why not go for something a little different like some of that 2 or 3 tone paint! - the stuff the used on the mg zt etc if you want it to be different?

obviously if matt black is the op's choice thats cool. - have you not thought about chalkboard paint and that way you could have a different desin every day if you wanted!!! - except when it rains Smile
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plastikote BBQ paint is the way forwards. Thumbs Up

Covers like a dream. Lots of thin coats.

If you want to do it properly. Screw rubbing down, take the tank off, drain it, rinse it out with hot soapy water then nitromorse the whole tank.

This'll take it back to bare metal. Then apply a good primer and undercoat followed by your chosen finish, rubbing down between coats.

If you don't mind it looking ratty. The accepted technique is to spray rattle can paint on any old how.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Plastikote BBQ paint is the way forwards. Thumbs Up

Covers like a dream. Lots of thin coats.

If you want to do it properly. Screw rubbing down, take the tank off, drain it, rinse it out with hot soapy water then nitromorse the whole tank.

This'll take it back to bare metal. Then apply a good primer and undercoat followed by your chosen finish, rubbing down between coats.

If you don't mind it looking ratty. The accepted technique is to spray rattle can paint on any old how.


How do I deal with the plastic parts of my bike?

And which parts should I not paint?

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PostPosted: 16:22 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Don't paint the shocks / forks without being careful to avoid getting paint on the sliding surfaces. Be careful with paint around the air intake.

As an aside, the bodywork looks pretty decent. Painting it matt black will destroy its resale value, and you would probably be far better off buying some cheap scratched 2nd hand plastics / tank and spraying them if you want it matt black. Can either sell the decent bodywork or just keep it to put back on when you sell the bike.

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PostPosted: 22:02 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed in another thread that somebody painted the engine cover.. shown below.

Is it safe to do so and what's the best method, as this would look pretty nice on my bike?

stinkwheel wrote:

I did the engine covers on kats CB500 with satin black plastikote BBQ paint and they look great.

https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/cb500/DSCN0321.png
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Sand 450 grit & 600 grit
2) Paint Primer Black, sand 600
3) Paint Primer Black, cheesecloth only
4) Paint Primer Black, cheesecloth only
5) Paint Semi-gloss, cheesecloth only
6) Paint Semi-gloss, cheesecloth only


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Also been told by various people not to paint over the cooling fins on air cooled engines. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I sold my BMW, I found spraying more matt black was much easier/less hassle than cleaning etc - rust, dirt, chrome are all fair game Smile.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waxaddict wrote:
I noticed in another thread that somebody painted the engine cover.. shown below.

Is it safe to do so and what's the best method, as this would look pretty nice on my bike?


Take the covers off, carefully scrape off the old gasket, remove the filler cap and inspection covers.

Brush liberally with Nitromorse paint remover. Leave to stand for 10 minutes. Rinse off. Apply more nitromorse to any left over bits, re-rinse.

This'll leave you with clean, bare metal.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/covers.png

Rub down any corrosion with wire wool. Thoroughly wash in hot soapy water then rinse to degrease them. Mask off the threads for the filler cap and inspection covers.

I like to warm parts in the oven before painting (warm, not cook).

Apply lots of thin coats of plastikote BBQ paint, letting them almost dry between coats (about 5-10 minutes depending on temperature). Try to put too much on at once and it'll run.

Leave to dry for 24h. Remove any traces of overspray from the inside and gasket facings (those green plastic pot scrubbers are good for this) and refit using a new gasket.

Remember this is high temperature paint. It'll be soft until it's been heated up a couple of times or left to harden for a week or so. Be careful not to mark it the first couple of times out and try to avoid getting it splattered with dirt.
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PostPosted: 03:16 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: FLAT BLACK ROCKS Reply with quote

THE FLAT BLACK LOOK TOTALLY ROCKS, YOU WILL HAVE TO PREP IT THOUGH JUST AS YOU WOULD A TYPICAL PAINT JOB. SAND DOWN OR SCUFF UP ANY PARTS YOU WISH TO BE PAINTED MAKE SURE ALL IS CLEAN BEFORE SPRAYING AND GO WITH IT. i HAVE DONE THIS TO MY OWN BIKE AND ALTHOUGH IT IS A COOL LOOK IT IS A PAINT JOB THAT I FEEL NEEDS TO BE DONE PERIODICALLY TO KEEP THAT LOOK OR IT TENDS TO LOOK A BIT GRAYISH AFTER AWHILE. BUT AS LONG AS YOU DIG GO FOR IT GOOD luck.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers stinkwheel. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about plastics? How do I go about doing them?
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbiker0507 wrote:
What about plastics? How do I go about doing them?


You don't use nitromors. Trust me on this.

I don't if theres a paint stripper to use on plastic, would like to know about one though.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 01 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any consensus about the best way to go about this then?

I'm inclined to follow Kickstart's and/or Stinkwheel's advice, as I am aware of their vast knowledge.

Any idea of a ball park figure in terms of cost/time?
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 01 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Plastikote BBQ paint is the way forwards. Thumbs Up

Covers like a dream. Lots of thin coats.

If you want to do it properly. Screw rubbing down, take the tank off, drain it, rinse it out with hot soapy water then nitromorse the whole tank..


Is this easy?
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 01 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Taking the tank off should be a doddle. At a guess on the CG, turn the petrol off and disconnect the fuel pipe, take the seat off and there is probably a single bolt at the back of the tank. Take that out and the tank probably lifts and slides back (most older tanks locate of a pair of rubber bungs near the front of the frame).

All the best

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