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PostPosted: 07:43 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

Since passing my DAS i've been lookingto buy a bigger bike, im looking to buy a newish bike 2006 onwards but the insurance is killing me.

For example - an SV650s is around £700 FC or £500 TPFT which is a hell of a lot.

a Gixxer 600 is £1600 FC or £1200.

Not surprising as my stats are -

25 year old
0 NCB
licence held less than 1 year

what to do, what to do??

Do i bite the bullet and just pay or ride my 125 to build up some NCB?

What do you lot pay for your little beasties Karma
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

£62 TPFT for my CBR600F, but I'm an old man with 5 years NCB.

The way to think of it is like this:

Would you like to be raped now or would you like to be raped later?

Insurance is effectively a scam. you only win when you lose and when you win you lose.

I.e. you ride you crash, you are indemnified by the insurance company, however the insurance company will tell other insurance companies of your claim and the next year and for the following 4 years will gouge you senseless with loaded claims.

it depends if you can afford to pay now or pay later, if you can afford or get credit to buy another bike outright (which is often the case with older rattier bikes) then comp makes no sense as simply you break it you buy another one as overall it will cost less over the next 5 years. If you can't then you can be gouged over a longer time (as with a new bike) but eventually it will cost you way more than the bike you are replaced with.

My XT600 was stolen sure I could report it and claim but they would load my claim for the next 5 years costing me more than a replacement fot the XT would cost.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If FT costs only a little more, it's always worth going for - if you have an 'at fault' accident, then there's no reason not to claim for your own stuff to - and it will cover things like recovery, which could get VERY expensive if you're hospitalised.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

Oh and - Why not got an older SV? Even for TPO insurance, exactly the same model of bike but older is cheaper to insure.
An older SV doesn't really 'lose out' much compared to the newer ones - and the cash you saved could easily be used to make it better than a newer one.

I forget if I went TPFT or FC, but it was £130 and £160 respectively - 30 years old, lots of NCB, but a couple of claims two years ago (and this was before a recent 3 points Rolling Eyes ) on an 06 GSXR1000.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

mach206 wrote:

What do you lot pay for your little beasties Karma


£160 fully comp on my gixer thou. Razz

Only started going fully comp in the last few years though, when it became cheap enough to bother (or the bike was worth enough to bother). Probably did TPFT up to about 5 years no claims, then FC became affordable.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TPFT every time. Last time I went through insurance (non fault) I used a private legal team which helped no end in making sure I was properly reimbursed for all losses.

I pay £160 for 2 bikes. 9 years NCB helps though... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy an older bike.

Realistically bikes from 2002-2004 are just as good and have a lower purchase price, and/or lower insurance.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lot have centuries of NCB between you Very Happy

Big_Ham wrote:
Buy an older bike.

Realistically bikes from 2002-2004 are just as good and have a lower purchase price, and/or lower insurance.


I have looked at some older bikes, especially the CBR600F but im just abit worried of the age. I have a phobia of old stuff i.e no idea how to mend them Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

mach206 wrote:

Not surprising as my stats are -

25 year old
0 NCB
licence held less than 1 year

what to do, what to do??



Im 21..and a 2003 SV650 costs me around *checks confused.com*
£290 FC
Current bike is a KH125 and a GS500... both are about £100 FC each.. apparently they wont let me multi bike them Neutral
I have 0 NCB, 8 crashes, car licence for 2 years, bike licence for 2 years

As stated in lots of threads...insurance is very odd..

mach206 wrote:

I have looked at some older bikes, especially the CBR600F but im just abit worried of the age. I have a phobia of old stuff i.e no idea how to mend them


Older bikes tend to be easier, lack of FI, ABS, technical thingy ma bobs..
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

those quotes are awful! i passed my das last year, i was 24, 0ncb and insured a cbr600fs for £310 tpft!
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

Im 21..and a 2003 SV650 costs me around *checks confused.com*
£290 FC
Current bike is a KH125 and a GS500... both are about £100 FC each.. apparently they wont let me multi bike them Neutral
I have 0 NCB, 8 crashes, car licence for 2 years, bike licence for 2 years

How the holy hell did you get it so cheap?
im paying £450 FC at the mo for my CBF125
I have 0 NCB
0 crashes
Car licence 8 years
home owner


Older bikes tend to be easier, lack of FI, ABS, technical thingy ma bobs..

So i have been told, if it does go wrong its a learning experiance afer all right?
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

Im 21..and a 2003 SV650 costs me around *checks confused.com*
£290 FC
Current bike is a KH125 and a GS500... both are about £100 FC each.. apparently they wont let me multi bike them Neutral
I have 0 NCB, 8 crashes, car licence for 2 years, bike licence for 2 years


How the holy hell did you get it so cheap?
im paying £450 FC at the mo for my CBF125
I have 0 NCB
0 crashes
Car licence 8 years
home owner

##Paddy## wrote:

Older bikes tend to be easier, lack of FI, ABS, technical thingy ma bobs..

So i have been told, if it does go wrong its a learning experiance afer all right?
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mach206 wrote:


I have looked at some older bikes, especially the CBR600F but im just abit worried of the age. I have a phobia of old stuff i.e no idea how to mend them Mr. Green


They tend to be easier to mend and just as reliable. The plus side of them being easier to mend is that if you don't have the know how then there are more people that do, so it would cost you less to get it fixed. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

mach206 wrote:
How the holy hell did you get it so cheap?


I am 20, had my license nearly 3 years, 4 years NCB, 0 points, kept in a garage, protected NCB... £150 FC Cool

I think it is due to living in the lowest crime rate category for post codes and the fact that it is a 250...
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
mach206 wrote:
How the holy hell did you get it so cheap?


I am 20, had my license nearly 3 years, 4 years NCB, 0 points, kept in a garage, protected NCB... £150 FC Cool

I think it is due to living in the lowest crime rate category for post codes and the fact that it is a 250...


I know postcodes has got something to do with the premium as well. If my memoery serves me right i think its rated between bands A - F
A being low crime area, F being high crime area.

My postcode in band E....apparently
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

when I got mine out:

2 years car licence/car no claims
23 years old

0yrs bike licence/ncb

2001 CBR600f - FC for £600/TPFT £370
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

I insured a 2006 R6 1 day after passing my test at 23, fully comprehensive for £820. I had my car licence for 6 years with 3 years NCB though.

£1600 seems very steep!

mach206 wrote:
Since passing my DAS i've been lookingto buy a bigger bike, im looking to buy a newish bike 2006 onwards but the insurance is killing me.

For example - an SV650s is around £700 FC or £500 TPFT which is a hell of a lot.

a Gixxer 600 is £1600 FC or £1200.

Not surprising as my stats are -

25 year old
0 NCB
licence held less than 1 year

what to do, what to do??

Do i bite the bullet and just pay or ride my 125 to build up some NCB?

What do you lot pay for your little beasties Karma

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PostPosted: 11:06 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: insurance TPTF of FC? Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
...the fact that it is a 250...


It's this because they're awesome.

Just got a quote as I'm due to renew in 3ish weeks. Through Hastings with AXA, £170.91 TPFT at 19 with 2 years NCB. £300 excess.

I just re-did the quote to check something and it went up by £27 even after I changed the details back. I must have picked a good time to get a quote Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

21, 4 years NCB, GT550, FC (only because it came with TPO cover to ride other bikes, no TPO or TPF&T came with it Neutral) £130 Thumbs Up Very Happy

The postcode won't help... But just got for an older bike. I've learnt quite a bit this past few years, (Thanks to G mainly!)

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PostPosted: 12:37 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

21, 1 year NCB, 2008 GSX650f


£450 FC Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it this way.

Can you afford to replace the bike should you bin it or someone nicks it.

No, then its FC
No, but I can live without a bike while I save up for another TPFT
YES, Then you can risk TP only or TPFT.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Look at it this way.

Can you afford to replace the bike should you bin it or someone nicks it.

No, then its FC
No, but I can live without a bike while I save up for another TPFT
YES, Then you can risk TP only or TPFT.


You forgot to add, "can you afford the insurance for the next 5 years when you claim?"

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:
iooi wrote:
Look at it this way.

Can you afford to replace the bike should you bin it or someone nicks it.

No, then its FC
No, but I can live without a bike while I save up for another TPFT
YES, Then you can risk TP only or TPFT.


You forgot to add, "can you afford the insurance for the next 5 years when you claim?"

Rolling Eyes


Also "is the total excess more than the value of the bike?". Laughing Shifty
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 636 is £360 TPFT - if i wanted FC it would be £600.
26 with 2 years NCB - altho it should be 4 but because two insurance companys have cocked up I have lost them - sucks Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 35 with 0 years NCB, bike garaged overnight and pay £111 for VFR750 TPFT, for my CB500 I was paying 80 odd quid Very Happy I think it is beacause I'm old and said I only did 4000 miles a year.... Thumbs Up
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