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cagiva gezzer
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: CD's and speed laser detection Reply with quote

Just watched 'kerbside justice' on men&motors and they had a bloke with a bike with a cd attached to the front.

They started talking about how the cd is a class 1 laser product and the speed lasers are aswel. The theory is that the laser is messed up by the cd?! Question

Sounds like bull to me.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think so Laughing


the camers guns are radar? guided? so anything moving through an area will reflect the beam back, the time it takes to bounce back is calculated to give a speed reading??


i think so anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

vodka#2 wrote:
what do they listen to on the cd?
any suggestions.......


You making love to you're animals? Wink
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anything it gives Mr. Policeman a nice flat reflective surface to aim his laser speed detector at.

I have heard this rumour before amongst some of my mates that could be classed as boy racers. I just smile and nod when they tell me
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now if you covered your bike in the stuff they use for stealth bombers. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now if you covered your bike in the stuff they use for stealth bombers.


Just don't let it get wet Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a few boy racers round here, put about 4-5 cd's in their grill to it refracts, the flash from the camera.

But camera's arent allowed to flash at you?, just being you? Confused
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car drivers have been at it for ages. All the cruise boy(z) at uni have them dangling from their mirrors. Personally i wonder if they have been hit in the eye with this class 1 laser. Their cars luck soo bad you would have to have dodgy eyes to think they look good.

I am usually told about the speed cameras by on coming drivers.

If there a law against bringing some bert backarack for the ride with you?
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

dibbster wrote:
Now if you covered your bike in the stuff they use for stealth bombers. Laughing


Possibly not.

One thing I do know about speed camera's is that if you point them at a fighter jet it does something with the electrics and automatically locks the weapons onto the speed camera and makes them fire. Very Happy Quite funny really, and i know this is true.

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PostPosted: 22:49 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love boy racers!!

Mobile speed detection in the UK is pretty much all laser, they don't use radar at all, except in fixed units such as gatsos and mini-gatsos. Scamera vans use laser. Stealth radar cloaking devices are useless. I did see one boy racer who had imported from the States one of those anti-radar bra devices, fits all over the front of the car bonnet and grill to make it invisible to radar, or so the manufacturers claim. Unfortunately the only radar used in speed detection generally in the UK measures off the rear of the vehicle as you drive away, so sadly he's wasted his money and looks a twat as well. Gave me a giggle though.
CDs in your grill to reflect camera flash is also useless, the only units that flash are gatsos and they take you from behind. Since they are equipped with very high quality hasselblad medium format cameras the police can enlarge the picture and adjust the contrast of the print, and still read your plate easily.
Truvelos flash infra-red light from the front, but they'll still be able to read your plate, and the speed detection is done by magnetic or pressure strips on the road surface. Laser traps don't flash at all.
CDs won't confuse laser guns, if anything the perpendicular reflective surface will actually improve the performance of the laser gun!
The only device that will stop laser from getting your speed is a laser diffuser - a device fitted on the front of the vehicle that fires a bright burst of light at 905 nanometers - the frequency laser guns operate at - when a laser attempts to lock on to you. Since the emitted light is brighter than the laser reflection off the front of your vehicle the speed gun attempts to read that instead, and fails to work out your speed. They are a bit naughty though, there have been two sucessful prosecutions by police on the grounds that you're obstructing them in the course of their duty.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Lorry drivers tend to have loads of them on the front of their trucks, and I think the idea is that the CD reflects the laser all over the place. Doubt it works really, unless the police choose to aim at the CD.

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PostPosted: 23:42 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been told that whether or not the cds reflect lasers/speed-traps etc one thing they do do is flash back & blind the idiot who is coming towards you at night with his lights on full beam.

They also make good wind-chimes when hung in trees for the more hippy-inclined.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 12 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you want is a couple of rear facing ALARM on the pillion

https://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/a_slong.html

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PostPosted: 00:46 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

rsooty wrote:



One thing I do know about speed camera's is that if you point them at a fighter jet it does something with the electrics and automatically locks the weapons onto the speed camera and makes them fire. Very Happy Quite funny really, and i know this is true.

Sooty


How do you know this is true?

there is an urban legend about this but basically what happens is that the plane's early warning system will alert the pilot to the fact that he is being illuminated with a laser (or indeed radar)

by the time he has registered the warning he will be so far past a speed camera on the ground that isn't tracking him that nothing would happen

even if it did generate a "lock" warning it is still the pilot's decision to release a weapon - I think this is unlikely in the skies around where laser operated speed devices are used Wink
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the only possibility of a pilot being presented a warning would be something like an attack helicopter (apache for example) that has been fitted with a Laser warning reciever. The pilot would still have to manually engage the target.

I would also think that military radars are much more complicated than a simple gatso radar unit. e.g. the Radar warning reciever in a military aircraft would know the difference

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PostPosted: 01:07 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A news site wrote:
The Scottish highlands have some roads so perfect for sports-car enthusiasm that certain drivers are regularly tempted into exhibitions of speed. Complaints by the citizenry have brought the presence of radar police, who often lurk in hidden valleys to detect their prey. One such unit was on-station when a Harrier jump-jet suddenly appeared at the far end of the valley and flew toward it.
The officer, curious as to whether his equipment could record the aircraft's speed, pointed and activated his radar gun. The Harrier, test-cruising in full battle configuration, detected the radar pulse and instantly 1) armed a Sidewinder missile, 2) electronically focused it on the radar gun's signal, and 3) began its own automatic firing countdown. Fortunately, the pilot caught and aborted the firing sequence with 1.5 seconds to go, saving all of the following: the police officer, the squad car, the radar equipment, international headlines, the pilot's career, and one Sidewinder AIM-9M missile worth $500,000.


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PostPosted: 01:54 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just the myth I was talking about.

No way would an armed RAF jet be flying over populated aera with the Master Arm switched to ON

also, the Sidewinder is an air to air missile and is not radar locked or sensitive, the AIM-9M is a heat seeker

if there is such a thing as automated response from an aircraft then it will almost certainly be defensive, ie chaff/flares rather than the offensive automatic targeting and releasing of a missile
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr C wrote:

How do you know this is true?

there is an urban legend about this but basically what happens is that the plane's early warning system will alert the pilot to the fact that he is being illuminated with a laser (or indeed radar)

by the time he has registered the warning he will be so far past a speed camera on the ground that isn't tracking him that nothing would happen

even if it did generate a "lock" warning it is still the pilot's decision to release a weapon - I think this is unlikely in the skies around where laser operated speed devices are used Wink


Someone I work with is doing the training to be Air Tech... Which is the part of the Army who services/builds/fixes all air craft in the British Army, and they inform you about it during the training, so it isn't an urban myth.
As for the story about the Scottish highlands, it was true up until the point about the missiles. The jet wasn't carrying anything and was returning to the hanger after a flight. It locked on to the target but couldn't fire as there was nothing to fire.
Just thought i'd set you all straight.

Sooty Mr. Green *smug*
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told this story in 1987 when I was at RAF Halton doing my Aircraft Technician training.

I doubt if it was true then and I still doubt if it's true now


I was also told a story about a sidewinder locking onto a masturbating female because she was so hot



c'mon, the instructors have a file full of these bullshit war stories
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 13 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i disagree seeing as they explained why it does it and it's in the training books. But we all have our own opinions on things so i won't argue.

Sooty
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