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Misc
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Bandit 600 top end Reply with quote

Is it normal for a Bandit 600 to not want to go past 100mph? I wasn't sure if this was just because it was unfaired but noticed it'll get to 100 pretty quick & then will only slightly budge to maybe 105mph. This is on long flat roads & sometimes downwards.

If there is a problem, would it effect overall performance?

What (easy) things should i check first please?

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PostPosted: 14:51 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What revs is it doing? has it been downgeared? have you ridden anything of similar power you can compare it against?
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't remember what revs but i'm sure it's not been downgeared, but if it had, would it be the rear sprocket with 14+ teeth or the front sprocket? The acceleration/midrange seems about right but then again i haven't ridden a bike since 2007.

Only other bikes are 600 sports.

I'm not very helpful, sorry. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
Can't remember what revs but i'm sure it's not been downgeared, but if it had, would it be the rear sprocket with 14+ teeth or the front sprocket? The acceleration/midrange seems about right but then again i haven't ridden a bike since 2007.

Only other bikes are 600 sports.

I'm not very helpful, sorry. Laughing


Well what revs are you at when won't go any faster?, what happens if you drop down a gear? the bandit should easily mange more than 100 in 5th have you tried it?

Can you rev highier than the 100mph rev limit in lower gears?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It aint 33bhp restricted is it?
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Misc wrote:
Can't remember what revs but i'm sure it's not been downgeared, but if it had, would it be the rear sprocket with 14+ teeth or the front sprocket? The acceleration/midrange seems about right but then again i haven't ridden a bike since 2007.

Only other bikes are 600 sports.

I'm not very helpful, sorry. Laughing


Well what revs are you at when won't go any faster?, what happens if you drop down a gear? the bandit should easily mange more than 100 in 5th have you tried it?

Can you rev highier than the 100mph rev limit in lower gears?


I'll have to take it out & report back to you.

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It aint 33bhp restricted is it?


I hope it is, i've been having fun on it since i've bought it. Very much doubt it tho, pulls quite nicely & seems to go right round the rev range.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went out a few hours ago & got to just under 100mph in 6th with it redlining, from what i remember 5th gear was at about 11k (don't hold me to it tho)

Definitely something up as it gets to 90mph+ with no hassle then refuses to move any further.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking restricted, but 11k is a bit much for restricted. May be tho
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
I'm thinking restricted, but 11k is a bit much for restricted. May be tho


That was just a rough guess from what i think i saw, can't remember exactly but won't hurt to check for a 33bhp kit anyway.

Would it be washers in the carbs where it joins to the filter?
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, 4 washers in the rubber between airbox and carbs.

Definitely SOUNDS restricted to me.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digitalize wrote:
Yup, 4 washers in the rubber between airbox and carbs.

Definitely SOUNDS restricted to me.


Shouldn't be there. should be between the carbs and the head. Confused
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it is restricted i got a bandit yesterday and restricted it today and got to 100mph easily (private road of course) then it just kinda died lol the washers are in the inlet rubbers that are bolted onto the cylinder.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, will have a look tomorrow. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be here

https://www.cmsnl.com/suzuki-gsf600-1995-s_model13528/partslist/FIG2.html

number 23, between the head of the engine and the carbs.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
They should be here

https://www.cmsnl.com/suzuki-gsf600-1995-s_model13528/partslist/FIG2.html

number 23, between the head of the engine and the carbs.


Thanks. Edited my post because i realize it was the cylinder head.

So once i've removed the airbox, what do i then need to remove? I remember on my old bike i removed the airbox & behind it was the butterfly flaps. Where do i go from there?

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank off, air box off, carbs you may be able to leave on, just loosen the clamps on the rubbers between the carbs and head then prise off a little. You should then see 4 little blades with a hole in. Pick them out with a screw driver or pliers etc, then re-assemble and hope it still works Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
Tank off, air box off, carbs you may be able to leave on, just loosen the clamps on the rubbers between the carbs and head then prise off a little. You should then see 4 little blades with a hole in. Pick them out with a screw driver or pliers etc, then re-assemble and hope it still works Thumbs Up Wink


Thanks for that. So these little blades are the restrictors right?
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it is an early Bandit then getting the carbs off can be far more difficult than it has any right to be! Unbolt the airbox and undo the clamps from it to the carbs, slide the airbox back as far as it will go. Undo the clamps from the carb rubbers to the carbs and slide them back 10mm or so and then you can slide them off to the side. You need to remove the cables as well, but getting the throttle cable off might be easier once the carbs are dislodged.

Performance sounds about right for being restricted, but not sure about the revs you mention. 600 Bandit red lines at 12k, so doing 100mph at 12k and the same speed at 11k in a lower gear seems strange. 12k in top on a 600 Bandit on stock gearing would be 150mph (and it hasn't got the power for that), and 11k in 5th would be 123mph. However possible that if the clutch is slipping that this could cause the lack of speed and the high revs.

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PostPosted: 20:22 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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If it is an early Bandit then getting the carbs off can be far more difficult than it has any right to be! Unbolt the airbox and undo the clamps from it to the carbs, slide the airbox back as far as it will go. Undo the clamps from the carb rubbers to the carbs and slide them back 10mm or so and then you can slide them off to the side. You need to remove the cables as well, but getting the throttle cable off might be easier once the carbs are dislodged.

Performance sounds about right for being restricted, but not sure about the revs you mention. 600 Bandit red lines at 12k, so doing 100mph at 12k and the same speed at 11k in a lower gear seems strange. 12k in top on a 600 Bandit on stock gearing would be 150mph (and it hasn't got the power for that), and 11k in 5th would be 123mph. However possible that if the clutch is slipping that this could cause the lack of speed and the high revs.

All the best

Keith


Thanks Keith, will do this tomorrow. As for the clutch slipping, i've now adjusted it & there's no slipping at all throughout the revs.


ThatHornet, Cheers. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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got to just under 100mph in 6th with it redlining



fail.


sounds like its epicly undergeared.



put it this way, 10k on my fazer in 6th is like 120 ish.


Again, i'm probably wrong with the figures as i didn't write them down when i was at that speed. Wink

What number of teeth should standard gearing have then?
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
What number of teeth should standard gearing have then?


15:47 for most of them I think.

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PostPosted: 21:47 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Misc wrote:
What number of teeth should standard gearing have then?


15:47 for most of them I think.

All the best

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Will have a look tomorrow then. Thank you.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im currently on a restricted 600 bandit hire bike.

Itll top at around 100mph showing about 9k on the tacho.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 25 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have any trouble finding the restricting washers give me a shout and i will scan the fitting instructions that show how to fit them for you Thumbs Up
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