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salty21
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: running on 3 *fixed* Reply with quote

came off my superfour yesterday and it came off a bit worse for wear, my biggest problem is that it now drops to 3 cylinders after 5k rpm, still ticks over fine and rides normally up to 5k.

so far today i have stripped what was left of the clocks, had the carbs off and apart for a clean and to make sure the floats hadn't got stuck and also made sure the tap on the tank was still working correctly, brand new HT leads and plugs cleaned but im still having the same problem.

so i've pretty much done everything i can think of and hope someone here can give me some more ideas and theories?
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salty21
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

do coils suffer from hard knocks? is there any way of testing them?
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would usually say its a carby thing but since youve checked that over that is pretty odd.

Have you swapped the coils? does the problem follow the coil?
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

on a cb400sf, the "derestriction" is in the clocks.
at 5500rpm it takes out 2 cylinders...as happened on brothers exact same bike.

You said you damaged your clocks in another post...have a look in there?
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salty21
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the clocks are completely destroyed and are no longer on the bike. maybe there is something in there that the bike needs to run properly, got new ones on the way so will see when they arrive i suppose.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
the clocks are completely destroyed and are no longer on the bike. maybe there is something in there that the bike needs to run properly, got new ones on the way so will see when they arrive i suppose.


basically theres some form of disk in the clocks, when you hit a certain speed/rpm the restrictor cuts in.

I think its something to do with the 112mph thing in japan, all i know is it happened to my brother on the motorway Laughing
bird vs clocks...then all of a sudden bog down and 2 cylinders
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salty21
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats probably it then, fingers crossed. thanks for the usefull info Thumbs Up

not every day a bird can be resposible for taking 2 cylinders out, i bet he was like some kind of feathered god back at the nest Laughing
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P.addy
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
thats probably it then, fingers crossed. thanks for the usefull info Thumbs Up

not every day a bird can be resposible for taking 2 cylinders out, i bet he was like some kind of feathered god back at the nest Laughing


Didnt make it back Wink
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salty21
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 points to paddy Thumbs Up

plugged what was left of the clocks back in today and it ran loverly Laughing

cheers big ears Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yayyy!
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Honda CB1 is just like that.

Japan's 112mph restriction, you could by pass it so as if in the unfortunate event the clock got bashed off my another bird, you will still be able to ride the bike properly

Was it still on 2 cylinders even at tickover?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 03 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
10 points to paddy Thumbs Up

plugged what was left of the clocks back in today and it ran loverly Laughing

cheers big ears Very Happy


Glad i could help! Thumbs Up
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salty21
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 04 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
The Honda CB1 is just like that.

Japan's 112mph restriction, you could by pass it so as if in the unfortunate event the clock got bashed off my another bird, you will still be able to ride the bike properly

Was it still on 2 cylinders even at tickover?


yeah it was all fine and normal up to about 5.5k.

any idea how to bypass this device? on close inspection this one i have has a crack running through it so wont last much longer i think.

i took a picture of said device just incase anyone else has a similar problem and stumble on this thread in a search, so they know what there looking for, as without paddy's knowledge i would have been at it ages.

https://www2.bikechatforums.com/files/dsc00131.jpg

it has a 3 pin connector and the green wire on the loom side used to be in the middle slot but was detached by a previous owner (probably derestriction?).
You can also just about make out the lovely crack i made along the width of it which may cause problems later on.
any ideas on bypassing this device?
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 04 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a permanent solution, i believe it involved a wire from cdi though.. cut it, add in a 2k resistor and jobs a good'un.

check out the 400greybike site, they seriously helped me out at times with the SF!
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cb1rocket
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 04 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

basically its feeding a live wire at +12v to feed the wire that goes to and from the sensr in the clocks to the CDI so the restriction is permanently off.

I'll drag up the link, when i can its quite simple
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 04 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's the link

https://hondacb1.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=CB1Discussion&action=display&n=1&thread=85
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salty21
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 05 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im off to try it now Smile

thanks muchly Thumbs Up Karma
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