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PostPosted: 16:45 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Turbo. Whats needed? Reply with quote

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What exactly would I need?


a big wallet
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Turbo. Whats needed? Reply with quote

warped one wrote:
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What exactly would I need?


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PostPosted: 16:53 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you not lost your license, looking at your other post?

Just get a 1000cc if you want more power....
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a big wallet, get a BMW S1000RR

183bhp at the rear wheel, £12,500, done!

For a turbo, you would need minimum:

Turbo
Actuator
Oil feed
Oil return
Management System

Possibly a larger head gasket, bikes have a very high compression, so you would only be able to run a few PSI of boost, probably not going to make much of difference with the extra weight. You would need to lower the compression with a thicker head gasket to run any more boost, and you might need to look at internals as well. Better pistons, rod's, ect...
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

SamJL wrote:
If you have a big wallet, get a BMW S1000RR

183bhp at the rear wheel,


and a new back tyre every week!
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the GT a twin? You'll need 2 then!
Putting a turbo (or 2) on boring commuter bike. Even more pointless than rim tape!

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PostPosted: 17:06 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you need 2 turbo's??

Just because its a twin doesn't mean you need 2 turbo's! You don't have 4 turbo's on a 4 cylinder!
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
Isn't the GT a twin? You'll need 2 then!
Putting a turbo (or 2) on boring commuter bike. Even more pointless than rim tape!

J


evos and such like have 4 cylinders shit must have 4 turbos woe quad turbo
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:

evos and such like have 4 cylinders shit must have 4 turbos woe quad turbo


Talking of quad turbo Evo's, this one was done a while back Wink

https://www.tialmedia.com/Random/evo1.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok stick that into a double cradle and strap a seat to it... lemmie have a go!
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the other option is to sacrifice the rear cylinder and make it a "kompressor" Wink
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Turbo. Whats needed? Reply with quote

warped one wrote:
Toying with the idea of putting a turbo on the GT as it is pieces right now.

What exactly would I need?
How much would it all cost?

Cost would be a couple of grand or more, depending on what's needed/wanted.

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PostPosted: 17:13 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

SamJL wrote:
mad4it028 wrote:

evos and such like have 4 cylinders shit must have 4 turbos woe quad turbo


Talking of quad turbo Evo's, this one was done a while back Wink

https://www.tialmedia.com/Random/evo1.jpg


ok ok i'll get my coat Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a V twin, so like having a bi-turbo V6 rather than a single turbo 4.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, back in the 1980's, the idea that turbo-charging was 'fasionable' and the Japanese were looking at ANYTHING they could stick an acronym sticker on, to suggest a technical marvel in thier product.... I think they all had a go at making a Turbo-Proddy-Bike.
Probably the most successful was the most concervative one, the Kawasaki GPz750 Turbo.
It was pretty much the normally aspirated GPz750 'Unitrac', with an american 'Mr-Turbo' kit bolted on at the factory!
I think they even admitted that they had actually bought a MrTurbo kit 'for evaluation' and had 'had discussions' with the people at MrTurbo, during development.
Yamaha's offering, was errmmm wiered. It was an XJ600, given a 'futuristic' 'street-hawk' sort of styling excersize and a Knight-rider 'strobe' style boost guage on the tank.
It didn't have a MrTurbo kit on it. I think Yamaha took photos of a MrTurbo kitted XJ600 with a telephoto lense, and then had scientists examine them in Japan and make something that LOOKEd like what they had seen.
Suzuki.... well, this was only a VERY short time after they had given up on the RE5 rotary engined Wankel, having paid HUGE amounts of money for the licence to build it, and copied Kawasaki's Z1, to create the GS1000, while paying some-one in england, I cant remember who it was a HUGE amount of money to design them a frame 'like the featherbed' to make thier product go round corners.
They went to town on thier Turbo, and I recall it was an 850, even uglier than the Yamaha, and even more horrible.
Honda were the LAST to enter the Turbo-Bike frey, and they decided they wanted to show the others how a Turbo-Bike SHOULD be developed, from scratch.
And as they were a little ahead of the game developing turbo-charged engines that were doing rather well in F1 cars.... they thought that they would PROVE how far ahead of the game they were, by picking THE most difficult bike they could find to turbo-charge....

Which, for the most part is a lot of irrelevent waffle, except for THIS salient fact.

They decided that THE most challenging engine to Turbo, the ONE that if they could show it could be done, would prove they could turbo ANYTHING....... was........

a V-Twin.

So they grabbed a poor unsuspecting CX500 off the production line, and went to town on it, making something.... well, where the Yam was a futuristic horror, you could at least say that it was a daring excersise in the contemprary avante guarde. The Suzuki, was just plain ugly, but the Honda, NOT the pretties or most loved bike to begin with, was just SO bulbousely perverse, it was almost an statement in 'anti-style'!

They also had a habbit of eating thier turbo bearings, and curiousely, when the turbo was removed, becouse they were so bludy expensive to fix...... actually being faster!

Which SORT of suggests that the Honda CX-Turbo project, if not the entire Factory Turbo 'fad' it was a complete waste of time!

As they rapidly learned that they could make a far better, far cheaper, far more reliable motorcycle, with an AWFUL lot more performance and handling, simply by making them a bit bigger and a bit lighter and a bit stronger!

Turbo-Charging a GT650?!?!?

Well, its NO madder an idea than Hnda had I suppose......

Only they had a lot of computers, a lot of money, and thier own private test track.......

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PostPosted: 17:42 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
Its a V twin, so like having a bi-turbo V6 rather than a single turbo 4.
HTH
J


You can run single turbo's on a V6.

The only reason they run parallel twins is there usually big engines, twin turbo's get you less lag.

You wouldn't have lag on a small engine with a small turbo, so twins would be pointless.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
Isn't the GT a twin? You'll need 2 then!
Putting a turbo (or 2) on boring commuter bike. Even more pointless than rim tape!

J


Hardly a boring commuter bike, But V Twins are not the ideal doner for a turbo due to the firing pulses as Honda found out when they done it. Its not worth the effort i.m.o and better to buy a bigger bike in the long run as the GTR is already in a high state of tune.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A supercharger would probably be a better idea for a twin.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're all wrong. What you want is a Hybrid Electric Turbo technically your bike will be the worlds first hybrid, zero turbo lag, potentially better economy, mental power whenever you want it. If i had the money, i'd be making it right now! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOS is cheaper and easier - far more bang for your buck, and sounds like a laugh.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No point on that bike, just buy a faster one.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 21 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
NOS is cheaper and easier - far more bang for your buck, and sounds like a laugh.


That joke is as funny as a trip to the dentists! Wink

Nitro-Turbo, though..... NOW there's a proposition!

BIG blower, but a squirt of the old giggle gas to get it turning and over-come the lag...........
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