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MonkeyKnuckle
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: 'Muscle Bikes' Reply with quote

I've heard this phrase thrown around a couple of times.

What bikes are classed as 'Muscle Bikes'? It is MT-01 one? Z1000?

Do 'Muscle Bikes' even exist or is it something people call 1000cc+ naked bikes?


Just curious.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought it was the big nakeds , gsx1400, cb1300, xjr1300, zrx1200 etc. Big engined retro looking bikes .
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another marketing thing I think Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha V-Max for sure Cool

1679cc V4 174bhp

Like with muscle cars.. big powerful engine, quick in straights, shit in corners
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so it's probably an American term for something big, loud and fast. Giggidy. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoorse wrote:
I always thought it was the big nakeds , gsx1400, cb1300, xjr1300, zrx1200 etc. Big engined retro looking bikes .


These are what I would call muscle bikes too. The term has been around for years, these used to be the superbikes that were raced in day gone by. Big bikes that weren't for little 11 stone weakling shits. Now all bikes are smaller so that those under 6 foot and under 11 stone can ride them. Probably why big trailless got popular for us 6'3" 18+ stone guys. Now the short arses want these too.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modern retros aren't proper muscle bikes. My Bandit 12 is a pussycat compared to stuff like the GS1000 and Z1300. The ultimate muscle bike is maybe the Laverda Jota, although the CBX1000 was a bit of a beast too, as was the above mentioned Z13.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yamaha V-Max for sure Cool

1679cc V4 174bhp

Like with muscle cars.. big powerful engine, quick in straights, shit in corners


Got quite a few mates with the older V-Max, it does keep up ok depending on the rider. I know a few people that can hold their own with them well, even in corners. The things do shake/move around a bit though!
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Nakeds would be my definition, where they have thick rear (and possibly front) tyres, engine sticking out either side, low down riding position, massive power and torque.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the term started being bandied about in the press in the early 90's when Kawasaki launched the Zephyrs, & Suzuki the Bandit, aping the style of the big road-bikes of the 70's and early 80's, and was applied to the bikes of that era and the 'retros'.
So, z1, z900, GS1000, CBX1000, XJ11, and what followed in that style.
V-Max was, is and forever will, be, no matter how muscle bound it is with or without the de-tuned euro-freindly motor, a 'Super-Cruiser'! Wink
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ApriliaNutter wrote:
Yamaha V-Max for sure Cool

1679cc V4 174bhp

Like with muscle cars.. big powerful engine, quick in straights, shit in corners


Why does the Vmax have this all-pervading 'shit in corners' rep??

I ride a Vmax as described,and all it took to fettle it so that corners weren't a lottery was higher wider bars with heavier end-weights,and a set of Avon Storms with good solid walls.

Most of my mates have race-reps of one sort or another,and they're ALWAYS amazed that I can hit twisties without flinching,and can very often get on the button before them on the exits,as I don't have to shift my weight around the bike

I'm not posing about riding skills-I'm Johny Average-I'm just putting forward a genuine question-WHY do people insist on saying a Vmax can't corner?
Because,with a decent set of heavy-grade tyres,[+,admittedly a set of higher wider bars],a Vmax is as good in a set of twisties as any bike I've ever ridden.
You may say "AH,but you've modded it".
That falls flat though,because of the 16 blokes [and 3 femmes] I normally go on rideouts with,only 2 have totally stock bikes.

Ok,just thought I'd ask.

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PostPosted: 21:06 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the kinds of bikes mentioned already are what id refer to as true muscle bikes. they have to have some style and image as well as be big and powerful.

You can't call a Yamaha FZ1, a Z1000 or a CB1000R a muscle bike, as they are just modern unfaired high performance naked bikes, but they don't have that much style or even look that good with their ugly engines and hoses and pipes all out on display like an afterthought
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My XJR looks like a proper little muscle bike, too bad it powers it's way forward with all the intent and gusto of a milk float Neutral
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok groovy.


I like the MT-01 and the Z1000. Looks like the MT-01 is classed as a muscle bike and the Z1000 is not. Although it doesn't make any difference to me when picking a bike. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 09 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MT-01 has no muscles.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No muscles?

https://www.rizoma.com/img/Prodotti/Moto/Yamaha_mt01.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulldog 1100, GSXR1400, Hornet 900, those sort of bikes. Usually naked. Thumbs Up Give you big neck muscles if you ride them flat out everywhere, hence the term. Cool
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed Triple Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reppyboyo wrote:
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Is not a muscle bike. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
Reppyboyo wrote:
Speed Triple Thumbs Up


Is not a muscle bike. Confused


The earlier one looked quite muscular. Top-heavy and weighty too.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why does the Vmax have this all-pervading 'shit in corners' rep??

I ride a Vmax as described,and all it took to fettle it so that corners weren't a lottery was higher wider bars with heavier end-weights,and a set of Avon Storms with good solid walls.

Most of my mates have race-reps of one sort or another,and they're ALWAYS amazed that I can hit twisties without flinching,and can very often get on the button before them on the exits,as I don't have to shift my weight around the bike

I'm not posing about riding skills-I'm Johny Average-I'm just putting forward a genuine question-WHY do people insist on saying a Vmax can't corner?
Because,with a decent set of heavy-grade tyres,[+,admittedly a set of higher wider bars],a Vmax is as good in a set of twisties as any bike I've ever ridden.
You may say "AH,but you've modded it".
That falls flat though,because of the 16 blokes [and 3 femmes] I normally go on rideouts with,only 2 have totally stock bikes.



Maybe its just that people assume the relaxed steering, long wheelbase, possibly low ground clearance and even the riding position compromise the handling a bit compared to sportsbikes?
I'm sure these are just assumptions though and the ability of the rider to make the most of the machine is I'm sure more significant.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i always think muscle bikes as old 70s-80s twin shock naked bikes like the cb900f/1000f gs1000 and such like because they have to be muscled into the corners were moden naked bikes just glide round the corners and take little effort a muscle bike has to be forced round wollowing and wobbleing trying its hardest to spit you off proper mans bike imo
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
i always think muscle bikes as old 70s-80s twin shock naked bikes like the cb900f/1000f gs1000 and such like because they have to be muscled into the corners were moden naked bikes just glide round the corners and take little effort a muscle bike has to be forced round wollowing and wobbleing trying its hardest to spit you off proper mans bike imo


GSX1100EFE?
Don't love the look of this one too much but think its pretty much in the musclebike category. I always thought the style of these perhaps inspired the later GSX1400, though that was obviously much more of a styling job.

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PostPosted: 21:44 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

but the GSX1100EFE is a faired bike as standard so i wouldnt class it as a muscle bike
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 10 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely this?

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