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Gazz
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 16 May 2010    Post subject: Is it possible to make a dirt/pit bike road legal ? Reply with quote

I have been giving this some thought and was wondering if this was possible or not ?

Idea

I know you can build a kit car from scratch (with doner car parts, etc) and get it registered and put on the road, but would it be possible to do with a bike ?

Thinking

After searching the internet, I have came across some mixed opinions, but thought I'd ask on here first, because this is Bike Chat Forums after all.

Rolling Eyes

If it is possible, would would need to be done on it ?
Lights, controls, what else Question



My internet search found these replies, both are conflicting answers:

Thumbs Down ----- NOT POSSIBLE ------ Thumbs Down

" Assuming you live in Britain, you can't.

There is no way to get a pit bike through an M.S.V.A. test. Without passing an M.S.V.A. test, you can't get it registered. Therefore, you can't make it road legal.

End of.
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Thumbs Up ------- IS POSSIBLE ------- Thumbs Up

"I can't imagine it will present too many issues buying one of the ones off ebay.
You could always simply make your supermot pitbike road legal, shouldn't be too hard, you can buy the kits to make it road legal, horn lights, indicator etc. do a search, then you have to pass a test, like a super MOT to prove it's road legal, you may have to change the tyres etc. to road legal ones. the same rules apply to all bikes
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Cheers in advance.

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PostPosted: 20:17 - 16 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Is it possible to make a dirt/pit bike road legal ? Reply with quote

Yes it is. Have a search in the off road sections and there's various details about how to do it.
There's special allowances for dirt bikes which have a certain ground clearance too - too allow you too fairly easily register competition bikes that may be used on the roads to get between stages etc.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 16 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Registering the bike

MOT
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 16 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible yes,
Worth the cost of it? No, not really Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 16 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, didn't Binge do it?
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 25 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyres, Lights, Indicators, Plates, DVLA registration, And I think That Might Be It with an mot. dont know what the insurance company will say lol.
Mega idea. Good Luck
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 25 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest can you do the same with a go-kart?

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PostPosted: 08:04 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

go card would need mudguards over the wheels and probebly be a bit bigger
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Out of interest can you do the same with a go-kart?

c_dug

What Andy said, would need lights, mudguards etc.

Wouldn't be worth it unless you used a superkart.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 26 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Suspect a kart would be classified as a car and need to get through the car SVA rules. Which would probably be virtually impossible (especially if you had to get it through the emissions requirements for a modern car).

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PostPosted: 08:28 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lambo wrote:
Tyres, Lights, Indicators, Plates, DVLA registration, And I think That Might Be It with an mot. dont know what the insurance company will say lol.
Mega idea. Good Luck
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Indicators are not required (which is why no dirt bike's require them) I also believe you can get away with a daytime mot and the only light you'll require is a brake light.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No brake light required for daytime MOT, This surprised me when I took a bike in with a rigged LED brake light and the MOT man told me it was not needed.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

djr wrote:
Indicators are not required (which is why no dirt bike's require them) I also believe you can get away with a daytime mot and the only light you'll require is a brake light.


Indicators are compulsory unless the bike is exempt for one of the following reasons

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A vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph;

A vehicle first used before 1st April 1986;

A vehicle which is constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise) and which can carry only one person or which, in the case of a motor bicycle combination, can carry only the rider and one passenger in the sidecar.


The other exception would be having no rear position lamp (the lighting regulations contain an exception that they do not apply to any vehicle not fitted with a rear position lamp, although they also list the rear position lamp as being compulsory with no exceptions).

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
djr wrote:
Indicators are not required (which is why no dirt bike's require them) I also believe you can get away with a daytime mot and the only light you'll require is a brake light.


Indicators are compulsory unless the bike is exempt for one of the following reasons

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A vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph;

A vehicle first used before 1st April 1986;

A vehicle which is constructed or adapted primarily for use off roads (whether by reason of its tyres, suspension, ground clearance or otherwise) and which can carry only one person or which, in the case of a motor bicycle combination, can carry only the rider and one passenger in the sidecar.


The other exception would be having no rear position lamp (the lighting regulations contain an exception that they do not apply to any vehicle not fitted with a rear position lamp, although they also list the rear position lamp as being compulsory with no exceptions).

All the best

Keith


Does that mean I do not have to worry about not having indicators on my road legal track bike?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Only if you can get away with the daytime MOT thing. Don't think your track bike would count of designed for use off roads.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive seen a couple of lads around here with plated up pit bikes, there tiny little 125 things, also seen a bloke on one up near rivvington looked full of trick bits again with a reg plate.

They have actually made a road legal gokart... well I belive so. i'e never seen on onroad, have a quick ebay search for it. Its bad enough in a super 7 on roads up here, so god knows how a gokart would handle on anything other than smooooth roads lol.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2010-Plate-Road-Legal-Go-kart-170cc-/330462276662?pt=UK_Motorcycles
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Only if you can get away with the daytime MOT thing. Don't think your track bike would count of designed for use off roads.

All the best

Keith


OK thanks have some Karma, Can you also clarify about the legalities of not having a brake light? I have bolted it on as I thought it was needed but would get rid of it in an instant if not needed.

Thanks Keith Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Daytime MOT requires reading the lighting regulations in a certain way (and I suspect means ignoring some older laws which it updates but which are not easily found).

The lighting regulations specify all the compulsory lights, most of which are compulsory if you have a rear position lamp (ie tail light). A brake light isn't compulsory without a rear position lamp (although it is one light I really would rather make sure I had), but the problem comes if your rear brake lamp is also a rear position lamp. Even if it has the facility for a rear position lamp but not wired up it could be argued that it is a non working rear position lamp hence all the rest of the lights become compulsory. However a brake light on its own should be a rear position lamp so should be OK to have without making the other lights compulsory.

Lighting regulations are here

Compulsory lights are here (table II for bikes)

Exemption from the rules for having no front or rear position light is here

Reading those if you have a front or rear position lamp then the exemption from those rules doesn't apply any more so all the other lights become compulsory.

MOT rules may be applied differently. MOT manual states:-

Machines first used before 1 April
1986 must have a stop lamp that
operates from at least one brake control.

Machines first used on or after 1 April
1986 must have a stop lamp that
operates from both brake controls.


Which is a bit contradictory.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for the above info Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience it does vary massively between MOT testers.
I've recently got a c90 passed as a 'day time MOT' - though it was an off-road race bike, the trials tyres and lack of front mudguard were the only indication of this and it probably doesn't come under the normal classifications Smile.
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